Man shot dead in Stockwell unconnected to terror inquiry

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Just seen a ticker on the BBC website saying that

just don't understand what???

that you can't police actions under any circumstances?

that you can't question them because london has been bombed recently???

imo they need even more careful scrutiny at this time. the police need to behave impeccably in times of crisis even more than otherwise.

that should read can't question police actions

I'm not angry with the man who did it either, but if it was my son, I might be. And I do think questions need to be asked to see if it is possible for it not to happen again (it may not be).

i fit most of the profile, and I am almost deaf as well.

The only thing that could save me would be that I am not young,

otherwise in the view of some of these posters, I can be shot, and they wouldn't ask any questions.

Just as well I am not young, otherwise my adrenaline would be pumping too.

Please don't you see the way other nations have gone, and compromised their values, and ended up with a terrible price to pay in human costs.

Jahn- FGS - on that basis anyone who happens to be the 'wrong' skin colour, walking out of a building that happens to be under surveillance is as good as a bomber.

So when the police are finsihed blasting half the population of London to pieces are we to satisfy ourselves by saying, oh well they could have been a bomber!!!

It is not good enough - surveillance procedures in this country are a little more advanced that 'we think someone is hiding out in the building over there, so lets shoot anyone who comes out just in case'!!

Its madness - sheer madness and frightens the living daylights out of me.

i'm not angry with the men who did it jan. i'm angry that it is being accepted as a sad by-product of the fact that we live in what, a war zone?????

wobbly, he got on a bus?????

soapbox i find the total acceptance of it on here more frightening still tbh.

Janh, according to the first link on here by Sky, he caught a bus to the station.

"when faced with someone they already had under surveillance "

sorry if I'm repeating what others have said - just been having my dinner.

All we know is that he left a block of flats which was under surveillance not that they'd been watching out for him (if they actually had 'him' under surveillance one would assume they would have known his name).

In terms of 'how can this be avoided again'?

I think that's a really hard question - what do they do if someone doesn't stop when asked to and then runs for a tube (whilst wearing a giant overcoat)? Do they just let him get on?

I guess you could argue they could physically bring him to the ground but if he is wearing a bomb and it detonates, it would kill themselves and no doubt loads of others.

Oh for goodness sake!!!! The man did a runner - did they shoot the man near Downing St that we all saw on the news NO!!! Because he stopped when challenged and did as he was told. All the supposition that he was foreign and didn't understand is a load of rubbish. Do you seriously think that someone would run away when confronted with men with guns if they had nothing to hide. OK maybe he wasn't a terrorist, but we don't know that for a fact yet, only that he wasn't connected with the ongoing investigations.

I don't think you are trying to understand the police atall sophable.
If you did, I think that like many of us here you would feel awful that an innocent man was killed but also understand that given the circumstances the police had no other choice. They had a split second to make their decision, not hours and hours of navel gazing!!
This is getting me angry now, something that rarely happens to me on mumsnet. I'm disappointed that at such a crucial time when we need to be grateful for the policing that we have, we hammer them for the situation they are in

Scubawoman, I don't think we know enough about the man yet, to say whether anything about him is a load of rubbish. We don't even know his name, do we?

The surveillance operation went wrong - I don't blame the policeman who fired the gun - he was probably told he was the man they were after.

The intelligence is what was lacking, totally lacking!

Oh, sophable, I don't accept it, I am angry that the situation in London has deteriorated to this extent, but this is a new situation for these security people and they are doing their best to protect the population (the whole population, presumably including other young dark men in coats who don't happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time) from some extremists. They made a mistake, I hope it will make them a little more careful next time (but not careful enough to let a bomber get away).

I just want to know what they were doing while he was getting to the station - if he was on a bus then how fast was the bus going?? Faster than a police car can go??

Sophable, do you have to use the tube at all?

Mrs D, if you were this man's family, you might not be grateful.

Sophable's just asking questions - I think that's reasonable. I don't think she's implying that we can't understand the reasonable need to weigh up the safety of the officers concerned in this situation as well.

The fact that they let him get on a bus bothers me more than anything else now.

Caligula, that's facetious!

The thing is as well though is that its all speculation isn't it? I don't quite know what to think. I just don't we should be so quick to blame all on the police. Peacedove, just because we are disagreeing with your quite extreme views in no way means that you should be shot - that is just a load of rubbish.

ah yes - bad intelligence - now that is something that REALLY gets my goat up

MI5 knew nothing about this whole saga. I know they have protected London from other attacks but they were completely in the dark about the 1st one and seemed to know nothing about the 2nd attack either.

Mrs D - the police or rather security services had ample opportunity to get teh id of the suspect right.

There was no split second decision.

I am generally very grateful to all that the police and SS do to ensure our safety. I reserve every right though to question their competance when things go wrong. That is the mark of a free society. Not to do so, leads us to a police state and I have no wish to go down that road!

OMG - I wish I hadn't bothered reading the rest of the thread.......sophable - I think you're probably feeling how I was (and still am now -) yesterday.