Man shot dead in Stockwell unconnected to terror inquiry

[QueenOfQuotes]

Just seen a ticker on the BBC website saying that

"I think that I didn't word my original post to well if you all think that. "

Well I certianly agree with you on that point

"fgs you're just arguing with yourself. "

ermm nope - last time I checked (10 seconds ago) I was debating with Melissa

mm: it was you that was branding me pc no?

I accept that i misinterpreted you, if that is what you say...sorry.

anyway....this one is just going to run and run and run isn't it...

"this one is just going to run and run and run isn't it..."

Yes

Doing well aren't I - two threads I've started that have gone over 1000 posts in the last month or so

Moss, thank you. Yes, this is MY country, MY religion beliefs, but no more so than the guy next door, or the people on the tube & buses that day.

QoQ, and a very interesting debate too. I have re-read thru my posts & can see why you & others would think the way you did. I can hear it in my head, but it didn't quite come across as I intended.

I was trying to point out that we all get victimised, at some point regardless of creed & colour.

I went to a pub in Ireland once & a poster on the wall said "We welcome all, but we don't welcome talk of politics, money or terroism"

Maybe they had a point?

Melissa - it's nice to here someone admit (after reaind their own post) that perhaps it didn't come out qute as they meant it too - don't worry my bark is worse than my bite - and I tend not to hold grudges

Not sure we could use that poster on MN - we'd have nothing left to talk about LOL

HMO2 - its 5 and under, tell them he is 6 next week or something. I'll have no problems getting K in, she is so small.

QoQ, when I am wrong, I say I am wrong.

You are right about the poster tho, life would be boring!

I only just discovered these boards a week or so ago & got involved in a major debate practically the first time I posted!

Well, with that sorted, I'm off to desend into the pit that is Big Brother 6!

"Melissa - it's nice to here someone admit (after reaind their own post) that perhaps it didn't come out qute as they meant it too"

Hmmmm - yes it is isn't it? {rolls eyes]

NightyNight My friend is Asian Ugandan, British Born and lives ina 99% white town. i know she gets lots of racial hatred and worried for her son. it's really crap. ignorance breeds ignorance and it nust be horrible having to live with such reactions on a daily basis

about the police man who shot the brazilian guy, I thought they were secret services?

"I can't fly a GB flag as it may offend
I can't have Jesus on my Christmas cards as it might offend
I can't wear a crucifix as it might offend
My children won't be able to sing songs at school as it might offend
& all the other barmy laws that we are given to make the minorities feel happt in OUR country. "

HAS anyone been told they can't ear a crucifix or send Xmas cards with Jesus on them? These are LAWS??? Goodness....

Is this thread worth wading through? Or is it all nasty?

I only work Tue-Thurs and miss all these.

olive, shall we start a Tues-Thurs clique?

thoise barmy laws are made up surely

Blu the mauve shoe polish is in a glass cylinder pot, not the normal tin type ones btw

I do have a computer at home but I concentrate on the girls then (insert halo smiley).

The moment of decision: when do you pull the trigger?

(I was thinking of suggesting that all of us should only post Tues-Thurs, so OO doesn't have to miss anything. Wouldn't we get a lot done? )

very interesing article JanH particularly the last 2 paragraphs.

Certainly nice to know it won't be implemented at random.

But we know the 'intelligence' on Jean Charles de Menezes was pretty thin - living in a block of flats where one of the addresses was in the bomber's rucksacks, wearing (possibly) a fleece (although relatives insist a denim jacket and given the way the police story has changed, it's possible)and running away from people in plain clothes pointing a gun at him.

I can see that there may be situations where shoot to kill may be necessary - not sure I actually want it at all but can see the argument - but if they are going to use it 'based on intelligence' the information has to be much stronger than this, surely? I stil can't believe a man has been slaughtered by police in public, in London, for the crime of possibly having a dodgy neighbour and running away from someone pointing a gun at him. It's morally wrong and terribly dangerous, for other members of the public, and for the potential propaganda/ recruitment boost it hands to terrorists.

i travelled on the tube today from aldgate east to east putney. was quieter than usual. there seemed to be a lot of space around the asian looking young men, of whom there were many on the tube. one of them was nice enough to give me a hand with the buggy down the stairs at aldgate. it struck me (again, but with more force) how horrible it must be to be suspected because of what you supposedly look like (an asian muslim).

I drove to brick lane (before coming back on the tube) with dh, past stockwell underground. there is a little shrine there, one banner said 'we are all in danger of being shot by British National Police'

i hoped i could come and post to say nothing has changed in london, but seems like it has, i hope not permanently.

equating police with BNP. i don't subscribe to that point of view at all. but do think that this shooting has terrible consequences, particularly in the multi ethnic area that it happened in. police/community relations are mistrustful enough.

For Dino:
And heading back for home, the summer's
Freedom dwindling night by night, the air
All moonlight and a scent of hay, policemen
Swung their crimson flashlamps, crowding round
The car like black cattle, snuffing and pointing
The muzzle of a Sten gun in my eye:
'What's your name, driver?'
'Seamus . .
Seamus?
They once read my letters at a roadblock
And shone their torches on your hieroglyphics,
'Svelte dictions' in a very florid hand.
Ulster was British, but with no rights on
The English lyric: all around us, though
We hadn't named it, the ministry of fear.

It's from a Seamus Heaney poem.

Hi sophable it is interesting what you say about the division is on the tube - this article on bbc website sums it up well.

here

I looked up this morning to see that my section of the carriage on the northern line was full of white people and I wondered how that had happened. Had I inadvertently sat there because I felt safer I really hope not, and if that was the reason I am angry and ashamed of myself. This is what makes me really about the attacks its the division that occurs real or imagined despite the very best of efforts for it not to.

brilliant poem.