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Man shot dead in Stockwell unconnected to terror inquiry

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QueenOfQuotes · 23/07/2005 17:06

Just seen a ticker on the BBC website saying that

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Caligula · 23/07/2005 19:15

We do have to ask how far the building was from the tube, and whether they could have stopped him before he got there - or whether, if he had been a bomber, that would have been a more dangerous option.

foxinsocks · 23/07/2005 19:16

I'm not trying to justify it - it was a mistake and even they have admitted that!

It sounds like it was just one officer (Sky has reported that 'an' officer shot him 5 times in the head).

There is no excuse - I do feel sorry for the poor bloke's family and for the guy who shot him.

Heathcliffscathy · 23/07/2005 19:16

oh sorry flossam i forgot 'they have brought it on their own people'...i remember now....

Flossam · 23/07/2005 19:16

Sophable, we don't know how the bombs work yet properly - we don't know what kind of a bomb this person may have had on him. It might have been on a timer.

MrsDoolittle · 23/07/2005 19:16

I'm sophable I really can't see your point of view on this. I can't believe anyone attitiude that the police would have wanted to kill this man, I really can't.

Janh · 23/07/2005 19:17

If only he hadn't gone into the tube station none of this might have happened. It was just the worst kind of luck. They couldn't let him get on the tube, could they? (Or a bus I'd guess.)

fuzzywuzzy · 23/07/2005 19:17

Ummmm if I were being chased by ten blokes in regular clothing I would run away from them too as fast as my little legs could carry me.

I knew he was innocent......

Flossam · 23/07/2005 19:17

OH JUST F OFF WILL YOU>

soapbox · 23/07/2005 19:17

But what if the man was deaf or just panicked.

We cannot let the events of the past few weeks turn this country into the kind of place where innocent people get extinguished because they happen to be coming out of the wrong house and panic when they see a bunch or armed police bearing down on them.

All of the met and govt statements over the past few weeks lead us to believe that they are making serious progress on tracking down those responsible for this act - surely expecting them to shoot the right people isn't too much to ask!

What if it was your DH or DS????

This is not the kind of thing I expect to hear happening on the streets of London, it just isn;t good enough!
I think we have the right to expect more- much more!!!!!

foxinsocks · 23/07/2005 19:17

they thought he had a bomb

Janh · 23/07/2005 19:17

sophable, you think they did this for kicks maybe?

Flossam · 23/07/2005 19:18

I'm sorry but you are being totally unreasonable towards me, you and your DH and I am totally fed up.

Janh · 23/07/2005 19:18

He did panic - maybe his English wasn't very good - a bunch of big guys started yelling at him and running at him and he legged it.

It is all awful, tragic, horrible, dreadful but you can't blame anybody.

MrsDoolittle · 23/07/2005 19:19

And you are all going on about the fact he was shot 5 times in the head. Do you know why?
Because, if he had been carryuing a bomb they would have had to disenable his nervous sytem immediately in order to prevent detonation.
They didn't just fire off 5 shots cos they felt like it!!

soapbox · 23/07/2005 19:20

But on what basis did they think he had a bomb??????

Surely the person they had under surveillance looked different to this person.

Its too high a price to pay for mistaken identity.

WideWebWitch · 23/07/2005 19:20

soapbox, I agree

soapbox · 23/07/2005 19:21

Mrs Dolittle - yes I understand all that, and indeed I was very understanding of that fact yesterday when teh story first emerged.

But they did it to the wrong person.

That is what is unacceptable!!!!

Janh · 23/07/2005 19:22

They knew someone they wanted was in that building. They didn't know for sure who else was there working with him.

Look, why can't the anti-shootists see that he could have been another bomber! He really could!

Heathcliffscathy · 23/07/2005 19:22

fgs! what on earth is going on when i and others can't question why an innocent man was killed yesterday and how the same thing happening again can be avoided.

why is it that the fact that i am as concerned about the repercussions of the fear and hysteria around the tragic events unfolding in the city i live in is construed as somehow horrible of me.

i have pointedly said that i think the police who did this deserve pity.

i reserve my right to question why more people on this thread aren't angry that a young man was killed yesterday for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time...

MrsDoolittle · 23/07/2005 19:22

Exactly Janh. You can't blame anybody!
Flossam, I know how your feeling

Some people just don't understand

Caligula · 23/07/2005 19:23

Summary execution without benefit of judge and jury, for panicking, does seem a little harsh.

But I think it's too early to say yet, whether the security forces could have acted differently.

foxinsocks · 23/07/2005 19:23

yes it is too high a price to pay for mistaken identity - but this wasn't done on purpose.

His details may have been similar to some they had on file, he came out of a building under surveillance, he had a large coat on in the summer, he didn't stop when asked, he bolted for the tube.....you can see why the police were suspicious....I agree it's no excuse, but you can see what was building up in the head of this officer.

Janh · 23/07/2005 19:23

I am devastated that an innocent man was killed, actually, sophable, but I'm not angry with the man who did it.

MrsDoolittle · 23/07/2005 19:23

Wrong place, wrong time. It happens....

wobblyknicks · 23/07/2005 19:24

He had to get a bus to get to the station, they could have arrested him before he got there, surely, if they were staking out the house he came out of! I totally agree about the danger innocent people could have been in but the fact is that any of us could be a terrorist but we wouldn't want to be shot dead just for running from the police - why couldn't they shoot him in the legs?

The very sad fact is that sometimes innocent people have to be put at risk to protect our freedom. The man could have got on the tube and blown up a bomb but he could have got on and done nothing - we don't know. If we have to live as though everyone is guilty in the hope of protecting lives then the terrorists have won anyway.

Like I'd hate my dd to get abducted but I'm not going to keep her in the house forever to prevent it. Some risks have terrible consequences but are still worth the risk.

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