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Pregnant Woman Told To Leave Pub

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stinkymonkey · 31/03/2009 15:53

the nanny state continues

I can understand where the landlord is coming from, though I don't agree with what she did.

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BitOfFunnyBunny · 31/03/2009 16:00

I think that's pretty outrageous tbh. Next you'll have to pee on a stick and show the barstaff before they'll serve you...

sagacious · 31/03/2009 16:04

So did she go to the paper with the story

Its hardly hold the front page stuff is it?

She shouldn't really be drinking a pint and a half

The bar staff perhaps overstepped the mark

[and I have an irrational dislike of anyone doing the hands on stomach look at me I'm a pregnant earth mother pose]

BoffinMum · 31/03/2009 16:06

The guidelines state that a couple of units or thereabouts a couple of times a week is just fine.

I think the landlord doesn't understand the basic biology of the placenta. He/she obviously thinks the mother was doing the pg equivalent to tipping it into a baby's bottle. Duh!

What a discriminatory idiot. I think she should go back there and make sure her waters break on this pub's carpet.

Gorionine · 31/03/2009 16:11

I have heard about bar staff in France having been sent to court for serving alcohol to customer who then got very drunk and went on to have road accidents. I suppose in the current state of people fearing to be sued for just about anything it explains the pub staff decision of taking the safe option.

MarlaSinger · 31/03/2009 16:12

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justaboutback · 31/03/2009 16:13

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LynetteScavo · 31/03/2009 16:19

Well, actually I think the landlady sounds like a nice caring person. I had the odd drink in all of my pregnancies, but cetainly not as much as a pint and a half!

Can't wait for a Maitre d' to throw someone out af a resuturant for eating blue cheese.

BitOfFunnyBunny · 31/03/2009 16:47

AFAIK they changed the guidelines because they couldnt be sure it wasn't "confusing" to advise small amounts were probably not harmful. So because some people are idiots, the rest of us have any powers of discretion over-ridden by a new zero tolerance policy. We have a government of idiots, for idiots and by idiots.

abbierhodes · 31/03/2009 16:53

Really not the bar staff's business. It is the woman's right to decide what she does and doesn't do with her own body.

ladyhelenatealltheeggs · 31/03/2009 16:56

FFS. Someone has left a comment which is actually sensible underneath that story.Seeing as the landlady was concerned for the lady's health, shouldn't they stop serving everybody once they've had their weekly quota of units. Bet they don't do that....
I am 35 weeks pg and intend on having a glass of wine tomorrow night at my leaving do . Good job I don't live in Hove.

StewieGriffinsMom · 31/03/2009 16:59

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Nancy66 · 31/03/2009 17:00

How humiliating for the poor woman - she's safely into her second trimester and allowed to have a drink if that's what she wants.

Some pregnant women don't touch a drop and some do - it's nobody else's business. If she was rolling around on the floor pissed then fair enough - but she was sober, sensible and in control.

Northernlurker · 31/03/2009 17:01

It wasn't a couple of units though was it - it was two for certain from the pint and another one she was planning to consume in full from the 1/2 and then what? How many was she planning to have? Nobody has a right to be served in a bar - everybody buys at the discretion of the management. If the manager didn't like what she was doing (bearing in mind that they don't know if this was her once a week beer or if she was boozing every night since her BFP) then they had every right to refuse her.

sagacious · 31/03/2009 17:02

If thats humiliatiing for her why is she posing for a photo?

mayorquimby · 31/03/2009 17:02

"Really not the bar staff's business. It is the woman's right to decide what she does and doesn't do with her own body"

but surely if you are going down the who has the right to do what route then the bar has the right to refuse service?
fwiw i thnk the bar staff were being completely ott and stupid, just pointing out that if you want to argue rights, no one has an absolute right to be served in a pub.

seems like a complete busy body using semantics and loopholes to force their opinions and beliefs on another person.

megcleary · 31/03/2009 17:05

I am just lost for words at this

Northernlurker · 31/03/2009 17:05

It's interesting to see people arguing that the bar staff had no right to impose their views on this woman when all along she was imposing her alcoholic intoxication on her baby....

SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 31/03/2009 17:06

I actually think the manager was really out of order. I drank very rarely during pregnancy, only at birthdays/celebrations and even then only a small wine or two mixed with lemonade to make them last me longer.

I'd have felt very insulted if some one refused to serve me or asked me to leave.

It's none of the managers business whether or not this woman drinks.

DSM · 31/03/2009 17:07

I have refused to serve a pregnant woman in a bar once.

As far as I appreciate that you have the right to have a drink, a person licensed to sell alcohol also has the right not to serve anyone for any reason, and yes this might allow them to exercise their own personal morals, but of course.

If the landlord felt that he was uncomfortable serving the pregnant lady, then I think he was withing his rights to do so. She was not asked to leave.

Her friend then tried to purchase alcohol for someone who had been refused service, and that is an illegal act, leaving the landlord no choice but to then ask them to leave.

FWIW, I am dead against a nanny state, but do think laws must be adhered to.

Reallytired · 31/03/2009 17:09

I think the bar staff were right to refuse to serve her alochol. Its one thing to have a unit of alchol, but its another thing to have three units which is what this lady was proposing.

Good for the landlady for putting customer welfare over profit.

DSM · 31/03/2009 17:09

Shesells..

'It's none of the managers business whether or not this woman drinks'

It is his business, she is in his pub.

SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 31/03/2009 17:12

Yes as a paying customer. It is not the managers business whether this woman chooses to out alcohol into her system while pregnant.

It is only his business if she is bothering other customers with loud/drunken behavior or abusing barstaff.

If she wants to drink while pregnant that is her business and no one elses.

DSM · 31/03/2009 17:16

DSM - it is his business, noone has the 'right' to be served alcohol, he is fully within his rights to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

And if he, personally, believes that it is wrong to drink a pint and a half when pregnant, then in his bar, where he holds the license, he is perfectly entitled to do so.

TBH it is shocking that a paper would make someone out to be the bad guy when there are laws in place specifically to allow him these decisions. Whether or not one agrees morally is irrelevant. The law, is the law.

Imagine if the story had been different.

Imagine if the landlord had continued to serve the pregnant lady, so as not to 'humiliate' her. Imagine she had a few drinks, and something happened to her.

This poor chap would be slaughtered for selling her alcohol when she was pregnant. And he would lose his license.

He is completely within his rights not to serve anyone he does not want to.

And she wasn't asked to leave until another member of her party broke the law.

Nancy66 · 31/03/2009 17:17

Who broke the law?

TheFallenMadonna · 31/03/2009 17:18

How is it a nanny state thing?