Pregnant Woman Told To Leave Pub

[stinkymonkey]

the nanny state continues

I can understand where the landlord is coming from, though I don't agree with what she did.

Pregnant women should not be banned from buying anything!

A pregnant woman could quite easily walk into a shop and buy as much alcohol as she likes. This is an off-sale, and therefore not legally attributed to the purchaser. The salesperson has no reason to believe that the pregnant lady is going to drink it all. The same goes for cigarettes.

This is not the case in a licensed premise, when the purchase is being consumed on the premises. In this case, the licensee has a legal and moral obligation to ensure the safe consumption of the products he or she sells.

If they deem someone to be consuming alcohol in an unsafe manner, then they have the right to refuse that sale.

Please don't cover me in poo...

The Cricketers is a shit pub.

And that is my contribution to the debate.

oooh, interesting, DSM.

Actually, your local co-op selling cheap plonk and your local pub selling real ale. They're technically the same. Both licensed premises.

The licensee of the pub in question had as much right to refuse to serve this woman as the manager of the local supermarket would.

I think overweight people shouldn't be sold unhealthy food.

kingprawn - what if they turned out not to be fat after all, but eight months gone?

What then eh? eh?

umm yes - not thought this one through properly

Then they should be eating a healthy diet for the good of the baby [pious emoticon].
Otherwise they shouldn't be allowed to have children.

Perhaps there should be some sort of voucher system - you go to your GP and if you are a healthy weight/not pregnant/no liver disease you get a week's quota of beer tokens - obviously only enough for 2-3 units a day. You could do the same thing for food so fat people could only buy salad and pregnant women couldn't have camembert or precooked meat vouchers. - That'd solve it.

Squonk

A premises license is granted to a person, whereas an off-license is granted to an establishment.
Only (technically) the license holder has the right to refuse service. Given that the license holder of a shop is the company, rather than the individual, sale refusals are much less common on any grounds other than being underage.

Also, a shop sells alcohol for consumption off the premises. So the occurrence of intoxicated people attempting to buy alcohol is much lower. And there is no assumption that the alcohol is for the purchaser.

< snort >

I'm just curious what changes are being made to licencing act which other mumsnetters won't like? I thought the laws in 1991 were pretty strict.

Although I enjoyed it at the time, I'm glad I don't work in a pub now.

Kingprawn - have you thought about becoming the Chief Medical Officer?

Its in my ten year plan.

You are very funny

Maybe they could issue a compulsory badge with every pregnancy testing kit saying 'My pregnancy test was positive. Feel free to treat me like an idiot with no brain of my own'.

That would get over the problem of women attempting to buy alcohol when their bump isn't obvious enough to the landlord.

Oh, there are lots..

Operating plans being the main one for licensees, really annoying, and almost impossible as they have to be done for a full year in advance

You can only operate in accordance with your operating plan. So, no promotions, or other events that aren't planned a year in advance.

No more drinks promotions that are deemed 'irresponsible' (and they are quite strict)

No promotions can last less than 72 hours (so, no happy hours, no special 'Thursday night' drinks promos..)

Garages aren't allowed to sell alcohol anymore

There are new rules about under 18's as well but for the life of me I can't remember them properly.

There are more..

Oh God DSM that operating plan one sounds too stupid for words.

It really is. I had to do one a few weeks ago, for next year. As in, September 09 - September 10.

I had to include every event planned, every opening hour of every day (and you can't go against it, so even if you have no one in on a quiet Monday, if you have said you are open 'til 1am, then no closing early for you) every promotion that was going to run, and when, and for how long, and when it would start, if there will be food, when, if you will be showing sports, having live music, if so, when, ... etc etc.

They even ask you to tell them of any weddings, birthdays and funerals that you have planned.

ML, I am contesting the legality of refusing to serve pg women purely on the grounds of them being pg.

ROFLMAO at the funeral bit. That is classic.

christenings too presumably.

Ha, yes I actually do think christenings was on the form.

I just remember when we saw 'funerals' we were very

Royal college of Gynaecologists recommends abstinence from alcohol.

the Royal College recommends that the only way to be absolutely certain that your baby is not harmed by alcohol is not to drink at all during pregnancy or while you are trying for a baby.

If you do drink, not more than a safe amount, which is defined as not more than one or two units, not more than once or twice per week

there was conflicting and contradictory advice.National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence had previously (2007) said 1.5 units per day was ok,Dr Sarah Jarvis, GP spokeswoman for women?s health, said that the NICE (2007) guidance would only serve to confuse women. NICE revised this and now recommend* abstinence.

I think the key word is Recommends.