Boy is Dad at age 13, he looks so very young

[Lizzylou]

Here, he just looks so young

Surely I'm not the only one who is thinking "A 5 hour labour? For a first baby?"

teenagers have sex; fact.

WHEN is our society going to twig that early, consistent, frank sex education is the only way to decrease the teenage pregnancy rate in the UK?

Kimi your post really is disgusting.

This is a 15 year old child you are talking about. She has obviously come from a family where emotional abuse is the norm. To use the mysgogynist term "put herself about a bit" about such a vulnerable child for christ's sake, shows a vulgarity and lack of empathy which is on a site for mothers, I frankly find really offensive.

I find 13 and 15 year olds having sex and my taxes having to pay for them offensive, and I am just as entitled as you to say so...truth hurts

With respect we are talking about a girl who may have 3 potential fathers for her baby, a few posts were justifying this girl on the basis that 13 was the norm for marriage and children in many cultures not so long ago. So which is it, is she a woman and therefore a tart or a child and therefore should be in care because she is being abused by her family emotional and possibly somebody else physically/sexually ?

Actually by pursing your lips and pointing at this girl, you are continuing the emotional abuse of this child - you are part of the problem. And no, I don't think you're entitled to do that.

But of course you are entitled to be as vulgar and distasteful as you like.

As there are maybe 3 people who could be the dad I would hardly call her chaste.

Sorrento, I don't think in terms of "a woman and therefore a tart". I think in terms of women being full human beings and not defined solely by their sexual behaviour actually, but it's a complex subject and I suspect not worth getting into on this thread.

SHE DID WRONG...A LOT OF IT BY THE LOOK OF THINGS, AND VULGAR IS A 13 YEAR OLD AND A 15 YEAR OLD HAVING BABIES BUT IT IS AGAINST THE PC LOVERS TO SAY SO.

It isn't that complicated at all either she knew what she was doing or she didn't ?
In any where in the world a girl who thinks the father of her child is a boy aged 13 or there are potentially another 2 contenders is going to be judged harshly, it's hardly normal behaviour is it ?
I'm no angel but I have never slept with three men, unprotected in one month that is disgusting by any standards, no wonder the muslims look down on the British and we are seen as animals.

Oh I forgot it is much easier to have a go at how shocking what I think is then to have a go about what is wrong with children having children, and 15 of 25 having 3 possible fathers for a baby makes her a tart.

But carry on venting at me I don't care

15 OR 25

No, you carry on throwing stones at this child who obviously hasn't been brought up properly.

"no wonder the muslims look down on the British and we are seen as animals"

Sorry, is that your venture into political analysis of the Muslim world's attitude to the west?

Are you saying that muslims despise us because we don't keep our women's sexuality properly under control?

What a progressive, enlightened woman you sound.

I think both alfie and chantelle have been horribly let down by their parents
and the press are behaving appallingly
shame on them

Oh yes and of course it's PC gorn mad to insist that the full humanity of a woman or a child can't be summed up in a throwaway mysogynist insult.

LOL Sorrento no of course it's not normal behaviour. So we blame the child do we, rather than the adults and society who produced her?

My god I feel sorry for you if you think that managing to keep uncondomed cocks at bay would make the slightest jot of difference to your moral character.

So which is she a woman or a child ? You see you can't have it both ways.
If she's a child then yes she should have her behaviour controlled, if she can't do it herself and her parents won't then she goes into care and if she's a woman then she gets thrown to the gutter press for judgement.

My god I feel sorry for you if you think that managing to keep uncondomed cocks at bay would make the slightest jot of difference to your moral character.

My moral character isn't up for debate in front of millions for one simple reason, any mistakes I've made in my life have a) not affected others b) have not been paid for in any terms by the state or national newspapers.
Her morals were her own business right up until she asked me to pay for her child's welfare, then it's everybody's business.

At least I have a moral character, unlike this girl her family or the boy and his family.
So they are poorly educated that is no excuse, are we to use stupidity as an excuse for every thing? Oh killers, rapist, child molesters only do it cause they are thick, their parents did a bad job and so on.
And they are not too think to see a cash cow from selling the story.

What hope does that baby have? She will be the next generation of benefit leech, poorly educated and no doubt knocking out kids before she is allowed to buy a drink, a lotto card or vote.

This is a broken society, and I am sorry to say it is people like you HBLB who not only accept it but hit out at anyone who has the nerve to stand and say it is wrong, thus allowing it to happen and there is no level that is is not wrong on.

I have a 12 year old son and he is well brought up, polite,helpful, smart, I know where he is at all times and he is more interested in war hammer and upping his grades then doing the nasty with some under age girl, if I had a 15 year old daughter who turned up home pregnant I would hang my head in shame, march her to the abortion clinic and if that was not possible she would be leaving the hospital without the baby, without even seeing it. I would not be sticking them on the cover of every down market tabloid that offered me a quick buck.

The children in this all 3 of them need to have social workers, the parents (if you could call them that) need a good kick up the arse and maybe finding jobs would be a start, people like these are every thing that is wrong with society today, and sadly anyone that can not see that is also guilty of dragging the world down even more

omg can't believe the comment about muslims looking down on Brits!

I'm sure we'd all be much more morally pure if our men kept us women under better control

Sorrento I think we are fighting a losing battle.

My god Kimi what a terrible thing to say.

Have you never seen eighty year old women on the TV weeping about the babies who were taken away from them at birth by mothers like you? Who even in their eighties, have never got over the pain and sorrow?

I suppose that's what you call a fixed society.

I really don't know what you are reading btw, you obviously haven't understood any of my arguments. I hve never argued that this situation is right - just that for adults like us, to be blaming children for it, is shameful.

Oh and I expect that if Maisie ends up like her mum, in fifteen years time we'll see people like you on internet sites condemning her. Because that's really constructive, isn't it?

Oh and Sorrento, a child's morals are not up for debating fodder in a civilised society. It is our duty as adults to protect children, not to point fingers at them.

And yes I agree with you, social services should be involved with this family, of course. The children are not being protected on any level by their parents.

Perhaps some of the brainless spiteful morons who think it's OK to call children slags and leeches would like to turn their attention towards the governments and large corporations whose behaviour has been the biggest single cause of so many wrecked and wasted lives, by making it all but impossible for the poorest people to make anything of themselves. Companies are allowed to ruthlessly exploit the lower-paid, give them no rights and no job security, never mind any possibilty of advancing in the workplace: no wonder people are afraid to risk coming off benefits. Sections of the media, equally ruthlessly, exploit the not-very-clever by convincing them that 'selling their story' is the only way to make any money, and that doing so will make them loved by the whole nation when the media companies are setting them up to be mocked or witch-hunted or vilified in a variety of ways.
15-year-old girls are physically at the perfect age for having babies: they also tend to think, if they have lives which sound as bleak and miserable as this girl's life, that having a baby will mean they have someone's unconditional love. But improving girls' self-esteem so that they don't have children before they are psychologically mature enough to cope with parenthood - or before they've had any kind of life for themselves - is not going to be done by calling them slags and projecting your own sexual dysfunctions onto them.

At 15 I knew right from wrong, at 12 and 8 my children do.
My MIL was sent to a mother and baby home to have DHs half sister, who was left behind fostered and was going to be adopted when MIL fell pregnant again, she married FIL and he said she could re-claim her first daughter, the child never forgave her for taking her away from her "parents" who had fostered her for years.
Yes in some cultures 15 year olds have babies, they can do as they please I do not have to pay for their up-keep.
I waited to have my children, till I could afford to have them, I had two as that is what I could afford, I provide for them, I am sick of having to hand over large chunks of taxes to pay for every workshy scumbag and under age slapper there is.

Yes these children have been let down by their parents, and they have let themselves down by their actions. Their parents a vile people, instead of feeling guilt and shame they are cashing in, I doubt very much they will be starting a college fund for the baby with the money they get, every decent tax payer will be shelling out for her as we do for the rest of them.
Anyone who finds any thing in this whole mass acceptable should have a look up from their copy of the guardian and take a look at the real world, it is no good saying poor children, they will not learn from this at all anything other then they will now have a free ride.