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[Heathcliffscathy]

is all i have to say about the ross brand thing.

i'm disgusted really.

and do you have a darling old grandfather to be very unoutraged?

no but im sure my grandson would be willing to take a call and make some comments

zippi dgs "what has grandma done now"

sorry this time on friday night i am reaching a peak of sexual frustration and over excitement

i shall be racing up the m40 shortly and leaving you in p;eace for the weekend

touch of genius - distraught grandson

well if russell brand wants me to help him rehabilitate himself in the grandparent arena i am willing to help out ....he might even have fun i have just checked him out he is actually older than my bf lol

Gordon Brown should read Mumsnet instead of the Daily Mail and govern accordingly

Apart from the obvious, if I were Andrew Sachs, the thing that I would offend me is that he keeps being referred to as somebody who was only ever 'famous' for being Manuel as though that makes him a failure. As far as I understand he has worked steadily as an actor for decades, into his 70's. Do you have to repeat the success of Fawlty Towers, which is still more well known than Ross or Brand? Aren't you allowed to slow down when you get to 78?

I also think that its a bit of an overstatement to say that Brand was made to resign over this incident. Despite changes, Radio 2 is still a station that has a show called 'Big Band Special' and whose breakfast show listeners refer to themselves as 'old geezers and gals'. The mind boggles at what the editors were thinking when they thought it would be a good idea to broadcast this item. I think its more true to say that it became obvious (once the editors had put down their spliffs?) that perhaps Brand's natural home might be somewhere else. I am sure he will find employment again very quickly. Presumably Ross agreed to toe the line and that is why he is staying. Brand didn't and he is going.

Meanwhile if anybody would like to talk me through which bits of this broadcast were comedic I wouldn't mind being enlightened. I am particularly eager to understand how it was 'edgy'.

"the thing that would offend me"

comedy can't be explained. As soon as you try to explain it it loses any comedy value. Not that I'm saying this skit was amusing. But you can't be talked through it.

Jimjams, I said I thought it was unlikely as he made a statement saying he would be disappointed (or some such phrase) if his granddaughter had slept with RB. I think if he knew she toured with a neo-nazi S&M performance troupe and was heavily involved in the fetish scene I doubt he would have said that. I googled Satanic Sluts and was quite traumatised by what I found.
As a Holocaust survivor, I do wonder what AS thinks of Nazi imagery being used for sexual titilation. I found it depressing.

Not asking for anybody to make me think it was funny, just asking me to point out the relevant bits. E.g. "It was funny when Hardy threw a custard pie at Laurel" or "I found the allusions to the film point break in Hot Fuzz" very funny, or I found it funny when they said "Suits You" on the Fast Show.

I don't want an in depth explanation, just

I don't want an indepth explanation, just the relevant bits highlighted.

The episode of the Young Ones with the tampon was edgy because it challenged people's ideas about taboos surrounding menstruation. Russell Brand was edgy 20 years later because ...

(Please fill in the blank)

Ministry of silly walks funny because of John Cleese's astonishing physical comedy, plus laughing at the government was taboo until the 60s.
Round the Horne's Julian and Sandy was edgy because it featured blatantly gay characters and gay slang when honosexuality was still illegal, and employed such inventive sexual double-entendres that the person in charge of censorship didn't spot them (eg the barrister whose 'criminal practise' took up 'most of his time'.

haven't read teh whole thread but i think i can live without 'edgy comedy' esp. if it involves johnathon ross who is well past his sell by date.

and the satanic slut woman is loving the attention.

andrew sachs is a sweetie though.

What Dittany said, while I was out, with extra rising-to-feet, wild applause, tears-in-eyes and bouquets-tossed-on-stage by lovely self-determining girls .

mabana, I agree that GB's choices are alarming.

disclaimer: this in no way affects her human rights.

But I don't think that htis is the first time that people whose families have been traumatized by horror have sought to contain/control the memory of that by becoming involved in this kind of life. It's an acting-out thing, I think.

One could also argue (as some porn-positive feminists have) that the reason that intelligent women get involved in the bdsm scene is in an attempt to take control of this most 'obviously' misogynistic area of porn. As well as to 'act-out' the power-relations that have damaged them.

OBM said: In cultures which are extremely patriarchal, it is often the older women who are responsible for policing the rest of their sex, and enforcing the rules of patriarchy. It is their reward for having submitted to the rules themselves, and they have a vested interest in ensuring that repression continues, because they might otherwise be forced to acknowledge their own repeated humiliation.

IB said:

I agree with OBM, PW, and everyone else espousing that view. Just because the Daily Mail takes up a cause, it doesn't automatically become something to disagree with. Unless you're a sheep.

what are her human rights? I've missed that

"I think its more true to say that it became obvious (once the editors had put down their spliffs?) that perhaps Brand's natural home might be somewhere else."

Huge LOL MadamePlatypus. The producer was 25!

RB resigned because his natural home is and always has been C4; his sojourn at R2 was always acknowledged to be counter-intuitive - that was the whole point of it, and that kind of programming has been Lesley D's great strength.

Believe me, not only has RB's resig caused him no long-term damage - it has upped his currency and reminded C4 why they should treasure him. There will be a new C4 series within months, and the promos will entirely concern themselves with 'the man they tried to censor'.

lol, as if this will have harmed RB's currency. Because he's always been considered so staid and predictable, and now, who will ever want to have such a livewire on their show? Who saw it coming?

"what are her human rights? I've missed that"

um.. well, let's see now.. okay! the right to privacy? the right to have the world understand that consenting to sex does not mean consenting to that fact being broadcast to the world - because, despite the fact that you don't think that there's anything wrong with having sex with someone, a huge percentage of the world apparently does, so you'd rather keep it private?

Does that give us something to work with, people?

no

"a huge percentage of the world apparantly does"

no they don't