what do you think? was the resturant right?

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or is it discrimination

I now await being asked to not take dd to places incase she puts people off their food.

I have really mixed thoughts on this one. On one hand I real so sorry for this woman, who is onbvioulsy trying to carry on as much as normal whilst living with a dreadful disease. On the other, this guy is trying to run a business in a really difficult economic climate where i guess eating out will be one of those luxuries that goes....He is not a carer who is responsible for checking her clothes don't fall off etc. If it really is the case that this is losing him paying customers I really do understand his attitude (though maybe not that of the other customers...)

noddy I think you will find(unless i have got the whole thread wrong) that it is certain posters with very "odd" veiws that have wound things up. not people like you imo

Bows to Fio.

I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with this because they don't like to see what may happen to them at any time.

Well, though.

there is one thing I haven't read on here(might have missed it) we are all assuming one thing.
that this lady is nice
now I never have problems taking dd out to eat.
I am polite and try to not cause any problems. you know the drill from buggy days. i position the wheelchair in a safe place. I don't keep her quiet. but ia am aware of the other customers.
so.......maybe thsi lady isn't polite?

If she was unpleasant I would have thought she wouldn't have been welcome for 2 years.

BUt with an acceptable personality for 2 years? And the owner is quoted as referring to her disability - not that she was some stroppy cow scaring everyone off.

GRS - Have you been watching too much Dr Who?
'I'm a bit tired of hearing "I'm in a minority do everything my way".' A world in which disabled people get very much of anything their way isn't one I recognise in this partcular galaxy!!

And not one discriminated-against group has got ever got anywhere at all without shouting and being assertive. Can't you handle it?

'Aah, poor thing does he take sugar?' - oh, sorry if it gets your goat if someone objects to being patronised like that, shut up and put up with it, disable people, you will offend GRS.
'Spaz, crip, mong' - oops, carry on, GRS will be affronted if you say you find that belittling and insulting.

FFS.

From this link:

Having read all the comments i feel i must state that as a friend of catherines that the owner vastly overstated his case.
catherine has a degenerative disorder. she has loss of motor skills. she finds it difficult to hold a knife and fork steadily and will take a while to eat. She does spill food over herself and drink will usually end up on the saucer, but other than that she provides no other disruption. I have read that the owner said that her trousers fell down, the waitress when I went in to complain for catherine said that she smelt. then again the owner said taht she spat on the floor.
these are plain lies. i eat with catherine regularly. She does not spit on the floor. as i say she is clumsy and will spill things over herself mostly but will not be unhygenic. she also has a carer who comes twice a day. the carer bathes catherine once a day. i can categorically say that she does not smell.
the incident really does show extreme prejudice. the fact that the owner makes up complete falsehoods is outrageous. i cannot believe that there are many people who would be put off by a lonely disabled woman eating her lunch, and i agree with one other commentator, that there are plenty of other people i would prefer to ban, JP for one!

Hear hear, Fio.

A few months ago this same argument was happening about a cafe manager in Poole whobanned that bf woman because customers alledgedly complained. Of course bf should be allowed anywhere, goes the argumen because it is ^natural.

It is also natural for human beings to be in various states of health and ability - we are all on one big continuum of humanity. I thnk that is what people forget, or ignore, or don't have the humanity to feel.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt good point that i kind of missed. she can't have been a bad customer if she had been going in there for 2 years. I stand corrected.

We were told to take my son with Aspergers out of a Cathedral? Why? Because he was asking (talking loudly but not shouting) to put money in the collection box - and I was fucking giving it to him!
I had walked out of the cathedral at the point my dh was told to take him out, but I still fantasise about getting that fricking collection box, emptying the contents and taking them home.
I think this woman should sue for the return of all the cash she has spent in this restaurant over two years of constant custom. She went there every day for two years? She WAS his fricking profit margin!

well when zippi ( sorry zippi) suggested it - why was she not rounded on? dare i suggest becuase it was she mentined it in defence? - ie - (paraphrase) you have to put up with diferent things when goignt o a restaraunt ...

if you want to read my post as comparing all disabled people to drunks and yobs then i am utterly gobsmacked.

debating disability on here is impossible - i absolutley knew before my first post earlier on - which said something like ...eek don't all kill me... or somethng

there are certain people who are militant in opinion and cruel in suggestng that [people with other opinions are ill educated, bigoted, ill informed, not patiant, caring understanding...or any other soft skill you care to put in there.

and to boot the suggestion hat one can't offer an opinion becuase " you don't know what it's like" is trotted out - hence the opt out/in menu

the guy i work with - his pants fall down i help him sometimes - i said that already becuase knew what was coming

thats not the issue.

lack of compassion,caring and understanding is not the issue. - i am sure most people have that.

Disability or not quite frankly - if you were in a restaraunt and someone needed help - i am sure most of us would.

my argment is that i do not think that given that going to restaraunts is usually for an occasion, can be pricey and require organising - given that there are a fair few to chose from...

i doubt v. much whether you would chose to repeat your experience - given there are a zillion other restaraunts you can go to - why would you chose that one over say any other?

oh but you wouldn't of course. i forgot - you would move on becuase of health andsafety issues - or becuase the steak was cold...

i bet the restaraunt owner wishes real life was as stifled of opinion as this thread.

aaaaaaaaaaargh

fucking livid

"BUt with an acceptable personality for 2 years?"

lot's of thoughts on this thread but this comment just hit a bit too close to home, this is Huntingdon's we're talking about, and from personal experience you can have the most fantastic personality for 30, 40 years - and then you don't. It's been repeated by a few people "What's the problem with walking round with hot coffee? - just ask politely if she could sit down". Beacuase your average Huntingdon's sufferer is rational and not prone to angry/violent outburst... If only....

Not that this story or this horrible thread has pissed me off at all.
And yes, of course disabled/ill/different/dying people get it all their own way. Jammy sods.

I have had real issues with messy eating. Dribbling, eating with mouth wide open, spitting out mouthfulls of food.

This was a learned reaction from my upbringing.

Since having my DS I have got over it somewhat He's been an experience, I'll say. I still have issues with food being regurgitated, because I am mildy emetephobic. But that's my issue. The easiest way around it is not to look, unsurprisingly . (Noises are harder to ignore, I'll admit!)

My parents reactions to how my DS (and my DD who eats with her mouth open a lot due to nasal blockages from allergies) are quite startling - having been away from them for so long. They used to feed my children with a pack of wet wipes to hand....! Mind you, they are like that due to their upbringing....

sorry custy I just don't get why you are so sngry.
you were not the only person who used the comparison. I for one quoted you because i notice you(and like you)
but why are you so angry?

VVVQ - has your dd got a Beconase nasal spray? It has been a miracle for my ds.

This isn't about disability discrimination.

It's about someone needing support to eat, sort out the spitting issues, help her to walk through a restaurant without her trousers falling down etc.

In fairness it is not the restauranteur's job to attend to all these things. It isn't. He is there to make a profit.

I would be put off if I were in a restaurant and next to someone spitting or unable to walk across the room without their trousers falling down etc. I would also be put off if there were children running around screaming. It's just not what I want from a restaurant.

MsD - DD is taking various steroids already and is on double doses of antihisthamines. She's unfussed by her blocked nose as long as she is well stocked with tissues. If she's not bothered, neither am I .

I do take Beconase/Flixonase myself though. Quite good stuff it is too.

well it's taken me a long time to get through this thread, but I have to say I agree with Custy. My immediate reaction, is that surely the problem has arisen because this lady eats there every day.
I'm not even slightly discriminatory, this lady or any other person with disability is perfectly entitled to eat out where they like when they like. I've got no problems with eating facing, spitting, vomiting, bf, trousers falling down or anything else mentioned on here.
I don't imagine this restauranter did initally either, hence the reason she has been such a frequent customer. the telling word for me in the link is "lonely". And that's what gets me...where are this ladies friends and family? why is eating in this restaurant every night? Has the owner started to feel she is a "responsibility"? I think it's a sad situation, Ms Blow relied on the restaurant for food and company, the restauranter has decided he doesn't want to deal with this every day and going on his "sleepless" nights his business is obviously struggling. This may or may not be anything to do with Ms Blow (and I sincerely hope not) but I think she has become another worry and one he'd rather not deal with.