Another selfish bastard kills himself - and his two dcs as well, to spite his wife

[Moomin]

How utterly utterly heartrending.

Of course she does not deserve to have her children murdered!

What I am saying his the chances are he killed them and himself as he wasn't allowed the access he wanted to them and most of the time that is down to the mother.

She needs to take responsibilty for not allowing him to see his children, if that is what has happened.

I am not wicked, I am emtitled to post my thoughts the same as anyone. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean I can't say it.

heartbreaking.
No child deserves to be killed, and no parent deserves to be denied access to their child by the other parent.

My brother was denied access to his kids, wasn't violent, abusive or anything marriage just broke down.

If god forbid anyone ever tried to prevent me from seeing my dd I would GO TO COURT not MURDER HER.

There is nothing anyone could ever say or do to justify or cause the murder of a child.

I have a good friend who is denied access to his children by a vindictive ex wife who doesn't care what lies she tells about him.

He loves his children dearly and would never consider harming them to get back at her.

There has to be more to this.

I agree Chibi

Yet again its the kids that have paid a terrible price.
My heart goes out to their mother

I agree that perhaps occasionally a man is denied access unjustifiably.

However the vast majority of cases are completely justified, and there are thousands of them who are not stopped from seeing their kids despite having a long and awful history of DV against the entire family. That is not right surely.

Please, please read some of the stories about access on the lone parents' board, before making that kind of statement. It is really not a sensible one to make

It is very hard indeed to stop a violent or disturbed or abusive man from seeing his kids.

I was pretty disappointed that F4J couldn't find it within themselves to distance themselves from child murderers (at the end of the article)

He sounds like a very nasty piece of work with a history of physically abusing his stepson, so I don't really find the title particularly out of order.

How sad
I very very strongly disagree that the mother has any responsibility. That's very strange and quite sick. In alot of cases, men with a history of violence are still allowed access to the kids due to all the fathers rights fanatics. It is often these men who end up killing their kids. Often they are controlling. If someone has an issue with access, they should go to court rather than kill their kids, only a tiny percentage get no access and then it is usually for very good reason.

No, Flllight, it isnt. I know of some women who are truly spiteful and vindictive, and put up all barriers imaginable to make it difficult for their husband to see his own children. I'm not saying this is always the case but it happens.
Yes, I like to think that if it were the other way around and I split with my husband and he tried to stop me seeing my own children, I would fight him calmly and fairly through the courts. But the reality is probably that i would be an emotional wreck.
As I said, no child deserves to be killed. But no parent deserves to be denied access to their child.
There's some references to mysogynists on here. But equally, I think there are some women who believe that they somehow have a greater 'right' to their children than the father.

I shall leave this now as I never wanted to cause any upset. I apologise if I have. I merely said what I thought.

It's awful, yes. But I know nothing at all about this story or this man and it is possible he was very very ill. Mentally ill. Quite a few women have done this as well, kill themselves with their children.

Maybe some of you know the details well.

So this poor bloody woman is responsible for not handing over her vulnerable kids to this murderer?? WTF! As the story makes clear the kids were WITH HIM, and he murdered them. He has a history of violence. That poor woman's mistake was not preventing access, it was allowing it.
Why do people think that it is in the best interests of young children to hand them over MORE to people capable of killing them? And he stated clearly to his wife that this was his revenge on her. He was an evil bastard.

Agree jellybean. 'Family annihilators' usually have a history of violence and abuse towards their spouses and/or children. If a mother has been brave and resourceful enough to esape one of these monsters, of course she's going to try to keep him away from the children. Why should they be subjected to further abuse?

Nab I just wanted to correct your assumption, nothing personal against you but please do educate yourself about how hard it is to stop a determined man from seeing his children.
I am aware that some women try to make it dificult but sadly (in some cases, happily in others) the courts do NOT.

I may be wrong but suspect many men who have trouble getting access have not been through the legal process, as orders are usually granted - in cases of violence etc it would be supervised access.

Personal experience here, as advised by my refuge support worker. They usually do get access.

I saw my name in threads I am on so came back.

It wasn't reported on the radio I heard that he had a history of violence. Obviously that makes a difference.

I can hold my hands up and say it appears I am wrong but I am not the only one who thinks it. Just the one who posted it.

RIP the two children.

Where does it say he told his wofe he would kill the kids for revenge, MsD?

Is it usually the case, then, that men who kill themselves and children are violent and women who do it are mentally ill? Genuine question.

There are some seriously wierd views on this thread. To try to apportion blame to the mother is digraceful.
Why would you even have those thoughts? All that is known is that these kids died at their fathers hands.
How the hell do you get from that that the mother is partly responsible?

Some women just hate women, it seems.

I heard the news.

I assumed the mother had denied access.

I have apologised.

I know you all think I am evil, I get the message.

Am I missing a massive amount of info in the link or are some of you getting your information elsewhere?

interesting article about why men/women kill their kids