Civil unrest, what's really going on?

[Sadworld23]

My DH keeps chirping up with, there's riots here, protests there, immigrants have done assaults in xxx etc. He sees me as a bit of a do-gooder..

All UK places, but when I look at my regular news, there's very little reporting of it.

My DH has some MH issues currently and to confront him with 'what the heck are you reading?' isn't worth it right now.
I make comments such as, ooh that sounds grim and doesn't sound good, and that's very worrying, but I'd really like to know if it's really happening and where he's getting this info.

Please read my post above.

How do we ‘get tough’ on men who have spent the first 30 or 40 years of life being taught women are chattels there to service them?

Absolutely this.

0.01% in fact. Misread the 110,000 as 11,000. So even less than I thought. Bet that’s a relief, eh? Hope that’s putting the stats in perspective a bit for you. I know I’d feel pretty stupid if I wildly overestimated the threat from a population cohort.
But again, 0.01% is still too many. So, what can we do about VAWG overall?

Yes.

Admission to a secure facility until they are deported.

Please read my post above for my reasoning. Women and children fleeing the horrors of the Taliban should always be welcome.

How do we ‘get tough’ on men who have spent the first 30 or 40 years of life being taught women are chattels there to service them?

Are we including our homegrown shitbags? Because we definitely should be.

We can’t deport our own homegrown shitbags and there is growing evidence they are lower risk than thousands of unvetted men imported from the most terrifyingly misogynistic regimes in the world. Which, logically, should be no surprise.

But you’re saying we should - so how?

I made it a bit simpler for that poster as they seemed to be having difficulty with what I was saying. Do have a read too, if it helps.

Anyone?

What are the stats for your growing evidence? Feel free to include the 2 out of 5 good men and true rioters last summer who also had convictions for domestic violence.
You see, I don’t think any man should be given a free pass just because they were born here.

But not men fleeing the Taliban, not even the ones who fought alongside British troops?

And where will yoiu detain them? At what cost?

You think we didn't have to alter our behaviour in the 70s, 80s, 90s?

What else could that mean in this context? It can only mean that you think women altering their behaviour in 2025 is par for the course, as you did in the 70s, 80s and 90s. There is no alternative interpretation in this context. I don't want that for my dds. If you have a different opinion, that's fine.

We don’t know they aren’t the Taliban. That’s the whole point. We have 40,000 people under surveillance for terrorism related reasons in this country alone. And you want to add tens of thousands of unvetted men from Afghanistan?

Ah bless you, you’re not getting it. That’s ok. I thought you might, as you’re so into listening to the experience of others. Never mind.

Oh I get it alright. Thanks for the confirmation 👍

https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/63-percent-of-those-convicted-of-rape-in-sweden-have-an-immigrant

Do you really not understand that just because women are raped by British men, doesn’t mean increasing the risk by letting tens of thousands of men from cultures where woman aren’t even allowed to leave home without a male chaperone isn’t a good idea? Do you think coming from such a misogynistic country somehow doesn’t raise the risk of a man being misogynistic? If not, who is oppressing all these women?

And why don’t you answer my questions for a change? Do you think the crimes above are worryingly high for 80,000 odd men in just a few short months?

We vet them through the asylum process,

We don't detain them because they are from Afghanistan and have a different religion

How? Do you think the Taliban take sex crime seriously and keep diligent criminal records?

Are you claiming that all male Afghan refugees are Taliban?

Why are you talking about Sweden? Are you in Sweden? I didn’t realise, that’s why I’m talking about the UK and your posts aren’t making much sense.

Do you have comparison stats for the UK? Against the 0.01% based on the numbers you gave me?

You are generalizing again about ‘tens of thousands of men’ and their culture of misogyny. The culture that they are escaping btw, but that particular point has been handwaved away so I’m not expecting any answer to that.

You’re the one wafting numbers about. How about you run the comparisons and answer some questions for a change.

Nice bit of minimising of rape by British men, btw. Does that not matter to you? Are they sort of, allowed, because British? Wow.

At the moment no precise data has been kept by police forces in the UK but that’s now changing. In the same way no data was ever really recorded properly for transgender crime, although the studies available show yes their rate of offending is higher. Sweden is experiencing the same issues and is slightly further ahead than us - the above is a respected university study.

I notice you haven’t answered any of my questions, I would really appreciate it if you did.

1. Why do you think they are escaping misogyny? They could be leaving for any reason, including financial.
2. If the men coming here are not the ones oppressing women in their home countries then who is?
3. Do you think men coming from terrifyingly misogynistic countries are more likely to be misogynistic?
4. Do you find the crime detail I’ve given above to be very high for such a small group of people?
5. How do you vet men who come from countries which are a terrorism threat to the UK, when they will not have criminal records for either terrorism offences or sexual/violent crime? The Taliban won’t be keeping criminal records, or even prosecuting, such crime.
6. Do you think what looks like dozens of women and children raped and even murdered every year is an acceptable price to pay to accommodate these men? Is there a limit for you, or no limit?

Very interested to hear answers.

Yeah, that’s what always comes up when you talk about transwomen offending. It won’t wash - dealt with above.

How do we tell?

What have transwomen got to do with the price of fish? The Taliban haven’t much time for them either, I believe. But absolutely irrelevant to this discussion.

The British government has files, they managed to leak them and putting people, mostly men, and their families in danger from the Taliban