Civil unrest, what's really going on?

[Sadworld23]

My DH keeps chirping up with, there's riots here, protests there, immigrants have done assaults in xxx etc. He sees me as a bit of a do-gooder..

All UK places, but when I look at my regular news, there's very little reporting of it.

My DH has some MH issues currently and to confront him with 'what the heck are you reading?' isn't worth it right now.
I make comments such as, ooh that sounds grim and doesn't sound good, and that's very worrying, but I'd really like to know if it's really happening and where he's getting this info.

Here is the problem with X's algorithm highlighted

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/elon-musks-x-played-central-35679182

Elon Musk's X 'played central role' in stoking racist riots, damning report finds

Amnesty International analysis found X's algorithm prioritises posts that are most likely to contain lies and hatred - and say nothing has changed amid heightened tensions

I wouldn't touch TikTok with a bargepole but I do get a lot of information from Youtube. However it's always advisable to go back to sources relating to that news rather than taking everything at face value, and of course sensationalist 'click bait' thumbnails are usually a sign to avoid a particular video.

YT is where I came across the David Betz podcasts (have seen around a dozen of them) and he is a very respected academic and I've since tracked down his articles on Google scholar. We really shouldn't turn a blind eye to people who are experts in their field, although since Covid it seems people want to be their own authority and disdain people who actually know what they're talking about. Of course it's unnerving to read that civil unrest could take place in one's own country. I never imagined the UK would go down that route, if it does though, I think other European countries will follow as many have similar issues.

This thread's discussion has been mainly focused on immigration but there are other factors that would play into any civil unrest and a big one is general dissatisfaction with the government. We have that in spades, unfortunately. We no longer trust them. People need to be aware of what's going on and not just be in a state of denial which is what I see many on this site currently in. I used to be in the 'can't possibly happen here' camp but not anymore.

Those same gangs also raped black girls, muslim girls, hindu girls and sikh girls who have spoken out and said that they feel invisible and not supported because they are not white and only white victims seem to matter. How abhorrent is it to ignore victims because of their colour? Totally racist to say there were only white victims and ignore the victims who have brown and black skin.

We also have white rape gangs - significantly more than the pakistani ones who are raping girls which doesn't even get labelled as grooming gangs because that is how we cover up white rapists in the UK. So no it isn't racist to point out pakistani grooming gangs but it is factually incorrect to say that the majority were pakistani as the white ones were just not reported on as being grooming gangs. Only certain perpetrators get that label. There are also police grooming gangs too who raped these girls when they reported what had happened to them.

And the men who are bleating on about protecting girls from immigrants but not wanting to protect them from our predators are the same men who wolf whistle at 14 year olds from their cars...

I grew up after WWII, and have never worried about the future of the UK as I do now. Not for myself, but for my DGC and all young people.

Sweden, once a country who genuinely welcomed migrants, has changed. This from last year (yes, I know it’s the Express) feels similar to what we are hearing now in the UK.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1901453/sweden-civil-war-migrant-crisis

I ve no fear for the UK, its still a great place.

68m people the vast vast majority, law abiding.

Where i do have concerns is the destruction of public services under Austerity.

We also have a problem with people like Farage and some MSM who shit stir for political gain, just like he and Bojo did pre EU referendum.

This is nonsense. The rape gangs predominantly targeted white girls, often those in care. And the perpetrators were predominantly Pakistani Muslims, as even the Home Secretary was recently forced to admit after the Casey report: "But on the key issues of ethnicity that I had asked her to examine, she has found continued failure to gather proper robust national data, despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”.

I think another factor to bear in mind is that we already have possibly 40,000 plus people in the UK who are on a terrorist watch list (estimated by David Betz)! It's hard to know how many exactly and what their ethnicity is because it's kept secret, but even if no other immigrants of any description set foot on this shore again, we have all those people who are already here (maybe home grown, not necessarily immigrants) and well established.

MP Rupert Lowe has been asking questions about this but no answers are forthcoming, apparently for reasons of national security. Fair enough I suppose, but these people are already here whoever they are.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2024-12-02.17368.h

All inquiries into the grooming gangs said it was predominantly a culture of Pakistani origin men attacking white working class girls under the age of 16. You sound like you’re desperately reaching.

It is a fact that Pakistani men are vastly over represented in this type of offending. You may not like it, but it’s the truth.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2r2ejlvm1o.amp

However, the report says there is enough evidence from police data in three areas - Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire - to show "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation".
It adds that the significant number of perpetrators of Asian ethnicity identified in local reviews and high-profile prosecutions across the country also warrants further examination.
The report says more effort is needed to explore why it appears perpetrators of Asian and Pakistani ethnicity are disproportionately represented in some areas.
In response, the government has said it will make it a formal requirement to collect both ethnicity and nationality data for all cases of child sexual abuse and exploitation, as well as commission new research into the cultural and social drivers of the issue.

Posters here will still cheer for more unvetted men from Islamic countries and say you’re racist if you don’t think it’s a good idea.

Well, more fool them! They need to stop and think about it. But it's why I don't mention that religion because it's a good way to get one's posts zapped. Besides, Islam isn't race-related, anyone can be a Muslim.

Did you just make that up?

Got any examples of posters saying they want more unvetted migrants from Islamic countries?

And seeing they have to either apply for a visa or asylum, they won't be unvetted.

From the Secret Barrister

I prosecute and defend the most serious sexual offences in our courts.

The overwhelming majority of offenders are British-born. Overwhelmingly the victim is someone known to them, either a partner or relative.

Anybody purporting to care about protecting women might start there.

There are significant problems with the way that sexual violence is dealt with in the criminal justice system.

There is chronic underreporting.

Investigations take years.

The court backlog means several more years before a trial.

Complainants give up.

Prosecutions collapse.

These problems require considered, intelligent solutions.

Any “tough on crime” policy which does not have this as its centrepiece is a distraction.

A con.

Don’t let con artists and hatemongers distract from the real issues.

And those concerned people at the Southport riots last year

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

Two out of every five people arrested after participating in last summer’s riots had been previously reported to the police for domestic abuse,

The point on vetting, we are not able to with this system.

It is not nonsense at all. Victims from the muslim, sikh and hindu community have shared how ignored they feel. If you believe that paedos go home to their own community and live an honourable life there without committing crime then you are very much mistaken. Also if you believe that gang rape is an entry level crime then again you are very much mistaken. They are enabled in those community by the threat of honour when it comes to those girls speaking out. The fact you say that victims who have reported are not victims is just what the agencies were doing. Turning a blind eye because of racism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30152240
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-23632247

Absolutely there is over representation per capita but by amount white are the majority. Both can be true at the same time. Society does not often call white groomers grooming gangs, we call them paedophile rings so if you look just at grooming gangs then you will find just those labelled as such. If you look at paedophile rings then you will see the whole picture. Both are the same thing

James MacGill

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30152240
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-23632247

There is a disproportionate number of pakistani groomers but there are more white groomers. Both can be true at the same time.

Your lack of care for groups of victims who are not white is shocking. I completely understand why they feel ignored due to their ethnicity. Why are we still at a stage of ignoring victims in this scandal because of racism?

As if you think that paedophiles are safe around certain kids because of their colour? Do you think muslim girls are safe around white paedos? No child is safe around a paedo, to suggest that some kids are safe around a paedo is the most abhorrent thing I have ever heard.

As if you think that these paedos began their first crime by creating grooming gangs and had never committed other offences before in their own community. As if you think that a community that will shun victims of rape due to honour will not be an ideal place to commit crimes without anyone speaking out because of this honour is a bit naive to be honest. They use this honour as a cover to be able to commit crimes as they know that honour is important and so these victims are less likely to speak out.

Again one wonders why you concern is only about the muslim groomers and not about white groomers. Do we not want to stop them all or are you happy to let white rapists continue?

What the heck?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c209p0v5plwo
29 July 2025
Police want to question far-right activist Tommy Robinson after an alleged assault at St Pancras railway station in London.
[...]
Robinson, 42, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was contacted by a female BBC reporter for comment, but Robinson responded with a message that said "slag".

Yaxley-Lennon showing us who he really is.

And showing us what he really thinks of women.

Yes @DuncinToffee we have thousands of our own bad ‘uns. We can’t deport those sadly, but that is why we have the police justice system to manage those, when not overloaded.

What we don’t need at the moment, because the systems are overloaded already, is tens of thousands of extra men (whatever race/nationality) unchecked and unvetted living amongst us.

Because, as you point out, the common theme here is male violence. And we have to rely on the courts to manage those from the uk, but we could stop others adding to this issue, by stopping unknown males entering, or keeping them detained.

What is the point you are trying to make though?

yes there are bound to be more white perpetrators of any crime in a predominantly white country. But as others have mentioned, some ethnic minorities are disproportionately over represented in the crimes mentioned.

Ultimately, the main point is that we already have enough problems with sexual crimes and violence in our current population, which has led to awful conviction rates and delays.

What we don’t need is the above x 100 with the significant increase in solo male migration. As males (whatever race or nationality) are over 90% represented already in the crimes mentioned.

Surely that makes sense?

How are they unchecked and unvetted?

If you are talking about asylum seekers, they are in the system.

If you are talking about immigrants, they apply for a visa.

Are you going to vet all men arriving in the UK?

And @Watermelonnice , where are you thinking of detaining them?

The point is that many years into this investigation we are still ignoring many perpetrators and many victims. That shouldn't be the case.

I mentioned over representation - what is your point parroting back to me?

The problem is that people on here only seem to care about the sex crimes of immigrants and not about the ones that are being done by other groups because they do not give a shit. The awful conviction rates are down to a system created by criminal men for criminal men when it comes to sex crimes.

What we need is people to actually give a shit about women and children and stop with this fake concern when they have ignored it up until now and enabled it probably too with myths etc. We need victims to be supported not ignored because of racism and as proven people saying on here that muslim and hindu and sikh and black victims do not exist. That is acting disgusting and shows that this investigation is far from over given how myths are being spread throughout society.

You point is to defend tackling only immigrant sex offenders then I presume and let the rest crack on?

We could do with exploring the brown and black victims more in depth as they are being silenced both by their communities, agencies and by it has been now shown on here, society who do not believe them. We do not know how many as too many have been ignored and silenced. But they certainly exist and in significant numbers. When we have people saying that they think paedos only rape a certain colour and are safe with kids of their own ethnicity that is disgusting.

We could do with white grooming gangs being called that not given another name. We could do with them being held to account as right now we do not do that in our society. We could also do with people actually caring about women and girls. not this fake performance when it comes to immigrants which only show that they see women and girls as property.

I am talking about those entering illegally and/or claiming asylum as I presume those entering legally to work via visa are screened (hopefully).

When are they unchecked:

While they are waiting for their applications to be processed and when they destroy their documents and don’t give their identity.

When they enter illegally and manage to disappear before the need to claim asylum.

The above is usually when they are in hotels but often now they are put in HMO’s.

And , where are you thinking of detaining them?

Personally I would use camps or detention centres, barracks or similar and ideally process them quicker, with immediate deportation for those not meeting the requirements or from safe countries. And deportation for any criminal or anyone who subsequently commits a crime.