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Wimbledon school case re-opened

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bookworm8500 · 24/10/2024 07:02

Just that really. Those poor families and children 😪 I wonder what on earth is happening and why it has been reopened. It says there were flaws in the initial investigation

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PutItOnMyTab · 24/10/2024 14:27

No, it got ruled out so it was never seen. He was guilty as sin and is still out there. And kept his job with the law firm!

Oftenaddled · 24/10/2024 14:30

It's going to be very difficult actually to prove any of the following, if true.

She had a seizure at that time

She doesn't have epilepsy.

She had no seizures in the two years
proceeding (or wasn't aware of them)

You can prove people have epilepsy, if it occurs in the right conditions. But it's also a diagnosis of exclusion.

It's in the nature of epilepsy that people aren't always aware of seizures.

So unless there is positive evidence that she had seizures and knew about them in the two years before the accident, it's hard to see how the original finding can be challenged.

Newbutoldfather · 24/10/2024 14:40

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HoppityBun · 24/10/2024 14:43

MiraculousLadybug · 24/10/2024 13:01

We can't really speculate on an ongoing case but presumably they've got more avenues to look into. It will depend what evidence they've got.

The question was, what is meant by “justice “ in this case. That doesn’t require speculation.

MiraculousLadybug · 24/10/2024 14:46

HoppityBun · 24/10/2024 14:43

The question was, what is meant by “justice “ in this case. That doesn’t require speculation.

Well, yes it does, because we would have to speculate on whether the original decision - that it was an unavoidable medical event - was valid and true or not. That's key to the entire thing. As many other posters have speculated in great detail if you RTFT. Justice will obviously depend on the charges brought or not brought in light of whether it was a medical event or not. Anything else is pure guesswork.

runningslowlyuphill · 24/10/2024 14:50

The bathroom interview took place before the incident. It says so at the end of the article

Mustreadabook · 24/10/2024 14:51

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The article you link to has a postscript at the bottom saying that the interview for this article took place in February 2023. That's 3 months before the crash. It was published March 24, and I doubt contacting people to cancel articles on unrelated things she'd already talked about was top of her list at that point.

GoldenPheasant · 24/10/2024 14:57

I guess that's the benefit of having money and connections.

GoldenPheasant · 24/10/2024 15:00

PutItOnMyTab · 24/10/2024 14:12

I think i said it on the other thread but I was a witness in a sexual assault case. It was absolutely slam dunk.

The day of the trial the CPS came to see me looking all ashen to say that the prosecution had managed to rule out all the CCTV evidence and it was now my word against his. Turns out the person who was responsible worked for a top law firm and had hired a barrister who specialised in getting celebrities off charges such as these.

First trial went to hung jury. I got persuaded to do the 2nd trial because the evidence was so overwhelming (the police knew he did it because of the CCTV).

That barrister called me a depraved single mother, implied I was only out late because I must have been drinking with men (I was returning late from work) - he actually had me in tears on the stand. The 2nd trial went to hung jury and the CPS dropped the case.

It was from that point onwards that I realised the justice system in this country is skewed towards those who have money. He paid for a deliberately provocative barrister who managed to exclude the evidence on something so tenuous the CPS couldn't even believe the judge had allowed it. They were all rich public school boys and they all had their own way with it.

Ever since then, I've always looked at cases like this with a bit of suspicion - i know that it's not always right to be suspicious but I do believe we should all be held to the same type of justice, not one for the rich folk and another for everyone else.

The problem with that is that there are rich people on both sides in this case.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 24/10/2024 15:00

The family are suffering the most dreadful agony and want someone or something to blame, I would too were I in their position. Given that this appears to be a medical episode, it would make more sense to point the finger at the practice of driving ridiculously large and powerful cars in the middle of London. But given that this is a posh school, a lot of the people in the parents’ circles will drive exactly the same sort of car and perhaps the parents themselves. Hence, the casting of doubt on the verdict.

MerryMarys · 24/10/2024 15:05

but they're rich parents who believe they can buy the result they want. :( :

What makes you think they can 'buy' the result they want? What result do you think that even is?

MerryMarys · 24/10/2024 15:11

If anything, she hired the best legal team in the UK and the poorly paid Crown Prosecutors had no chance against. Her legal team tied the CPS in knots...

MeAgainAndAgain · 24/10/2024 15:11

Can anyone PM me the article posted earlier today which appears to have been deleted? Thanks.

CheekyAndFunny · 24/10/2024 15:11

Tragic for everyone involved. I do hope the driver didn't try to play the system that would be despicable.

Embery · 24/10/2024 15:18

It seems unlikley the driver did this on purpose.
Even if she had known it still isnt intentional. She likely wouldnt have got long in prison.

It is awful for the family. But in terms of putting people off from driving if they might have medical issues i think that has likely been successful. Noone would want this on their conscious. I mean the bus driver had a heart attack, but people can still drive after one (after a while). Should people in charge of larger vehicles have more health checks...?

MidnightMusing5 · 24/10/2024 15:24

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 24/10/2024 12:55

But what would justice look like in this circumstance?

An unforeseeable medical emergency wasn't it?

I’ve watched in a bcc series about car crashes how a lady lost control blacked out no existing diagnosis. It took a lot of digging to find that she had taken a drug that could cause black outs . I can’t remember the specifics so can’t remember why this wasn’t found out on the initial investigation . So I’m glad the police are thoroughly investigating, even if it came to rhe same conclusion

DanielaDressen · 24/10/2024 15:26

ThePoshUns · 24/10/2024 13:28

I thought this at the time it was announced that NFA was being taken. If the defence produced that report, was it reviewed by an expert for the prosecution?

Afaik there was no prosecution, so no other “side” to review anything. Obviously the police would have had sight of medical reports.

But any solicitor employed by the parents wouldn’t have had the right to examine a person’s confidential medical records.

if there had been a court case they would have been able to and maybe this is what they want. I don’t know other than knowing they weren’t happy with the decision to not proceed further.

ThePoshUns · 24/10/2024 15:32

The CPS would have reviewed the evidence before making a decision to charge or not, rather than the police I would have thought due to the seriousness of the offence

YellowSundress · 24/10/2024 15:32

Having some experience in this matters, it might be that perhaps there was some indication that the driver felt unwell before hand, or had some inkling that they shouldn't have been driving.

It's a very very high bar to prove that you aren't negligent when pedestrians are involved, quite rightly.

If she felt unwell and got into the car anyway, and then blacked out, she could still be held responsible because she shouldn't have been behind the wheel. Maybe that's what they're looking at.

SouthernFashionista · 24/10/2024 16:32

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That website is a load of nonsense.

She certainly wasn’t a governor at the Study.

The whole thing stinks. I have countless friends in Wimbledon village and they are hopeful that justice will be done.

Twixfixing · 24/10/2024 16:36

It’s clear the parents don’t believe the investigation was conducted in a thorough manner & I would want it relooked at if it was my dc & felt the same.

AgainandagainandagainSS · 24/10/2024 16:38

SouthernFashionista · 24/10/2024 07:09

I hope these families receive justice.

What justice do you want served? Slam a woman in jail for having an epileptic fit? Yeah that would make them feel great about themselves. Their children would still be dead but the punishment’ wouldn’t be just at all.

SouthernFashionista · 24/10/2024 16:39

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Twixfixing · 24/10/2024 16:41

@AgainandagainandagainSS to quote the parents

“"We thought (the police) must have looked at certain pieces of evidence, obtained certain documents and interviewed certain people and I think they themselves have told us that that was not the case, and that's why they've reopened (the investigation)," he said.”

“"While we know nothing will bring Nuria back, we hope this new investigation will finally uncover what really happened on 6 July 2023, and at last allow us, and the hundreds of others affected by what happened, to begin some sort of healing process."”

Twixfixing · 24/10/2024 16:44

Turns out the person who was responsible worked for a top law firm and had hired a barrister who specialised in getting celebrities off charges such as these.

Quite normal for those with money.