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Wimbledon school case re-opened

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bookworm8500 · 24/10/2024 07:02

Just that really. Those poor families and children 😪 I wonder what on earth is happening and why it has been reopened. It says there were flaws in the initial investigation

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SouthernFashionista · 24/10/2024 07:09

I hope these families receive justice.

PutItOnMyTab · 24/10/2024 12:35

I'm really not surprised. It sounded like it was rushed and they didn't do all the things people would have expected first time round.

FlowerTink · 24/10/2024 12:44

I was looking for a thread on this after seeing the news, thinking of the families and the whole community there

MiraculousLadybug · 24/10/2024 12:51

Yes I saw that. It was clear that the parents of the children were very unhappy with the initial outcome, so hopefully even if this new investigation reaches the same result, maybe they will get some peace knowing it's being looked into in more depth.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 24/10/2024 12:55

But what would justice look like in this circumstance?

An unforeseeable medical emergency wasn't it?

Paganpentacle · 24/10/2024 13:00

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 24/10/2024 12:55

But what would justice look like in this circumstance?

An unforeseeable medical emergency wasn't it?

Exactly this... tragic outcome but lynching the poor driver who had a medical event at the wheel isnt going to change anything...

MiraculousLadybug · 24/10/2024 13:01

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 24/10/2024 12:55

But what would justice look like in this circumstance?

An unforeseeable medical emergency wasn't it?

We can't really speculate on an ongoing case but presumably they've got more avenues to look into. It will depend what evidence they've got.

nosmartphone · 24/10/2024 13:10

Sending the driver to jail isn't going to bring those poor girls back.

Can you imagine blacking out, having no recollection of crashing, coming round and finding out you've killed two young children? AND then you find out you could go to jail for that, despite it being a genuine accident in the true sense of the word. She also has a life sentence.

I feel for the parents, I really do, but they're rich parents who believe they can buy the result they want. :( :( nothing is going to bring their girls back. Utterly horrific all round really. Just can't see what it would achieve jailing someone for having a medical episode?

Kimmeridge · 24/10/2024 13:12

SouthernFashionista · 24/10/2024 07:09

I hope these families receive justice.

What would be justice though if it was an undiagnosed medical condition. You can't jail someone just to placate a bereaved family

Lincoln24 · 24/10/2024 13:14

I was surprised because I took thought the outcome was pretty clear cut as a random tragic accident that couldn't have been predicted. I did think at the time the families were looking for justice (totally understandably) when there isn't necessarily anyone to blame. Well, we'll have to wait and see.

Hoppinggreen · 24/10/2024 13:15

Kimmeridge · 24/10/2024 13:12

What would be justice though if it was an undiagnosed medical condition. You can't jail someone just to placate a bereaved family

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I have no idea what things are being re examined but it seems that there may not be concrete evidence the driver had her first ever fit.
Perhaps they are looking at whether she had ones previously or if she did indeed have one that day. Apparently its very very hard to spot epilepsy on brain scans after just 1 episode
Of course whatever is or isn't found its still tragic for those poor families and the whole school community

Twofifty · 24/10/2024 13:17

If I was one of the parents, I would want to know whether the epilepsy diagnosis was privately obtained and using which tests.

Anothercoffeeafter3 · 24/10/2024 13:18

Land Rover also has a case to answer, that car has crash avoidance it should have stopped before the fence but definitely shouldn't have crossed the grass

DreamW3aver · 24/10/2024 13:20

Twofifty · 24/10/2024 13:17

If I was one of the parents, I would want to know whether the epilepsy diagnosis was privately obtained and using which tests.

I agree, they deserve to have if thoroughly investigated. Of course it won't make anything easier for them but if anything new is found it might help someone else in the future

ThePoshUns · 24/10/2024 13:28

Twofifty · 24/10/2024 13:17

If I was one of the parents, I would want to know whether the epilepsy diagnosis was privately obtained and using which tests.

I thought this at the time it was announced that NFA was being taken. If the defence produced that report, was it reviewed by an expert for the prosecution?

FuchsAndMöhr · 24/10/2024 13:28

nosmartphone · 24/10/2024 13:10

Sending the driver to jail isn't going to bring those poor girls back.

Can you imagine blacking out, having no recollection of crashing, coming round and finding out you've killed two young children? AND then you find out you could go to jail for that, despite it being a genuine accident in the true sense of the word. She also has a life sentence.

I feel for the parents, I really do, but they're rich parents who believe they can buy the result they want. :( :( nothing is going to bring their girls back. Utterly horrific all round really. Just can't see what it would achieve jailing someone for having a medical episode?

With the risk of derailing the thread what brings you to the conclusion that they are rich parents who think they can buy a favourable (to them) result?

marshmallowmix · 24/10/2024 13:40

Just saw it in on the lunch time news one of those at the scene said she was not spoken/interviewed to one of the teacher's I think...family are not convinced that the original investigation was done thoroughly enough.

Not sure what has caused it to be re-opened.

Sad and awful situation for all....

beetr00 · 24/10/2024 13:40

Thoughts with regard to initial Met inquiry
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c03lgdzpw8go

After an internal review Met reopens decision not to prosecute
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy4w6lqp4lo

My understanding is that they will be looking more carefully at the driver's previously undiagnosed medical condition.

The most important thing is that the families feel that the Met investigation is thorough.

It has nothing to do with whether the families are rich or not.

Their children are dead.

They need comprehensive and incontrovertible proof that the Met's investigation is both exhaustive and wide ranging.

NewNameNoelle · 24/10/2024 13:45

Locally I’m told there have been concerns about the thoroughness of the investigation.

The driver is not someone without means and influence, as are the bereaved parents. I don’t think it’s in any way a case of money buying influence.

An awful situation which has impacted the lives of many. I hope this new investigation can provide closure when it concludes.

MeAgainAndAgain · 24/10/2024 13:46

Hoppinggreen · 24/10/2024 13:15

IF
I have no idea what things are being re examined but it seems that there may not be concrete evidence the driver had her first ever fit.
Perhaps they are looking at whether she had ones previously or if she did indeed have one that day. Apparently its very very hard to spot epilepsy on brain scans after just 1 episode
Of course whatever is or isn't found its still tragic for those poor families and the whole school community

I also heard this, and I read somewhere that one of her relatives was influential, worked with the right people or something like that. No idea if it’s true, but it all needs to be checked out properly.

beetr00 · 24/10/2024 13:58

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PutItOnMyTab · 24/10/2024 14:12

I think i said it on the other thread but I was a witness in a sexual assault case. It was absolutely slam dunk.

The day of the trial the CPS came to see me looking all ashen to say that the prosecution had managed to rule out all the CCTV evidence and it was now my word against his. Turns out the person who was responsible worked for a top law firm and had hired a barrister who specialised in getting celebrities off charges such as these.

First trial went to hung jury. I got persuaded to do the 2nd trial because the evidence was so overwhelming (the police knew he did it because of the CCTV).

That barrister called me a depraved single mother, implied I was only out late because I must have been drinking with men (I was returning late from work) - he actually had me in tears on the stand. The 2nd trial went to hung jury and the CPS dropped the case.

It was from that point onwards that I realised the justice system in this country is skewed towards those who have money. He paid for a deliberately provocative barrister who managed to exclude the evidence on something so tenuous the CPS couldn't even believe the judge had allowed it. They were all rich public school boys and they all had their own way with it.

Ever since then, I've always looked at cases like this with a bit of suspicion - i know that it's not always right to be suspicious but I do believe we should all be held to the same type of justice, not one for the rich folk and another for everyone else.

Hazeby · 24/10/2024 14:21

It might just be one of those cases where the medical evidence is inconclusive and therefore arguable. One expert interprets results one way and another expert another way. Not everything is black and white in medicine, especially when you’re looking for something after the event.

Hazeby · 24/10/2024 14:23

marshmallowmix · 24/10/2024 13:40

Just saw it in on the lunch time news one of those at the scene said she was not spoken/interviewed to one of the teacher's I think...family are not convinced that the original investigation was done thoroughly enough.

Not sure what has caused it to be re-opened.

Sad and awful situation for all....

But they don’t necessarily need to speak to everyone who was there. The facts of what happened are not in question.

fashionqueen0123 · 24/10/2024 14:26

PutItOnMyTab · 24/10/2024 14:12

I think i said it on the other thread but I was a witness in a sexual assault case. It was absolutely slam dunk.

The day of the trial the CPS came to see me looking all ashen to say that the prosecution had managed to rule out all the CCTV evidence and it was now my word against his. Turns out the person who was responsible worked for a top law firm and had hired a barrister who specialised in getting celebrities off charges such as these.

First trial went to hung jury. I got persuaded to do the 2nd trial because the evidence was so overwhelming (the police knew he did it because of the CCTV).

That barrister called me a depraved single mother, implied I was only out late because I must have been drinking with men (I was returning late from work) - he actually had me in tears on the stand. The 2nd trial went to hung jury and the CPS dropped the case.

It was from that point onwards that I realised the justice system in this country is skewed towards those who have money. He paid for a deliberately provocative barrister who managed to exclude the evidence on something so tenuous the CPS couldn't even believe the judge had allowed it. They were all rich public school boys and they all had their own way with it.

Ever since then, I've always looked at cases like this with a bit of suspicion - i know that it's not always right to be suspicious but I do believe we should all be held to the same type of justice, not one for the rich folk and another for everyone else.

So they wouldn’t let the jury see the cctv?!