Man killed by own XL Bully dog in home

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Will anything be done ? Will it bogroll,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrlkn8m35no

It really is noticeable how ill educated the real bully fans are by their language and spelling.

I live in the suburbs I've never once seen an xl bully in my area! Never

Report it and keep reporting it. Get everyone you know to also report it.

When the worst happens, when not if, the police need to be answerable to their lack of action.

On the other hand they may act if there are enough complaints.

This is a little off topic but I had a bit of a debate with a dog owner on the Nextdoor App a few months back.
She was complaining about a dog owner allowing their dog to wander over to her two dogs.
She stated ‘My dogs are not dog friendly, they are not well socialised. I keep them away from other dogs because they don’t like them.’
She later stated, when asked about the breed, that her dogs are PITBULLS!
She walks them around without a muzzle and acknowledges that they are not well socialised.
But they are ‘amazing’ with her young child.
WTF?
When I pointed out that they are a banned breed, she said ‘The police have met my dogs and have said how beautiful they are.’
Another user proudly boasted a few times, ‘I have a Pitbull x Staff and he will rip apart any dog that wants to come and say hello, so I wish stupid owners would keep their dogs away.’
I sent the post to the council and police but never heard anything back.
These morons that walk around with dangerous dogs, putting others in danger, make me so mad!

It might help to follow the quoted posts to get the jist of the conversation before jumping in.

I have never owned a bull breed, nor will I ever choose to. But there is a massive difference between a Staffordshire bull terrier and an American XL Bully. The post I was quoting was someone that obviously wasn't aware that there were other bull breeds.

Certainly is! i wouldn't hesitate to walk past a staffy an xl bully I will avoid at all costs.

Even if he was minding it for a friend, more fool him. I would never willingly be in the same room as one, I move away as soon as I see them (fully aware I could not outrun one though, should it wish it). I am constantly vigilant for these vile beasts, and always looking around for an escape route/something to climb should one start at me. It is appalling to me that we are being made to feel so unsafe in our neighbourhoods. Cull needed, urgently. I'd happily pull the trigger myself (would not wish to get nearer to administer injections).

I would consider a true sized staffy as my next dog, generally lovely natured little creatures, but would only consider one now as my children are adult sized, not keen on mixing small people and any dog with terrier added to its name, but that's just me and my experience of terriers of all shapes and sizes, great dogs in the right environment, very loyal, but don't suffer fools gladly and most children will be foolish at some point !

Glad your kids have grown up - but what about your neighbours' kids, or the kids down the street?

I couldn't do the deed personally and cull but I'll make your coffees and nod sympathetically because I don't feel that 26k xl bully's are worth one child.

Staffies are bull terriers but not xl.
as long as they are bred well and trained they are of very good temperament and excellent with children.

That's not true. Numerous accounts of staffordshire bull terriers mauling people.

"Staffordshire Bull Terriers commit 43% of U.K. attacks Meanwhile, Staffordshires and Staffordshire pit mixes have now accounted for six fatalities and 43% of the total dog attack disfigurements occurring in the U.K. Since 2005. Bull mastiffs and cane corsos have killed three people, disfiguring eighteen."

From https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p879/rr

"A 2016 UK study1 on canine attacks on guide dogs found: “The aggressor dog breeds that were represented by >10 individual aggressors were Staffordshire bull terriers or Staffordshire bull terrier types (n=182, 26.4 per cent), cross-breeds (n=95, 13.9 per cent), German shepherd dogs (n=39, 5.7 per cent), Jack Russell terriers (n=18, 2.6 per cent), boxers (n=16, 2.3 per cent), Labradors (n=15, 2.2 per cent) and Rottweilers (n=11, 1.6 per cent).”
While the UK Kennel Club2 observes that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (SBT) is “highly intelligent and affectionate, especially with children”, a 2013 UK study3 of dog bites to the head and neck in children “… found the Staffordshire Bull Terrier to be the most frequent specific dog type to be involved in dog bites … The percentage of Staffordshire Bull Terriers in the UK is estimated at 8% but accounted for 18% of the dog bites in our series.”"

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2023-09-27/moment-mum-fights-off-staffy-to-protect-toddler

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-67009049

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dog-bite-girl-elsie-staffordshire-bull-terrier-harrow-crown-court-b1106212.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/boy-five-attacked-staffordshire-bull-terrier-b2434560.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czvv0g5gjx5o

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/young-mother-is-mauled-by-her-own-staffordshire-bull-terrier-and-puppy-is-killed-by-bully-breed-in-another-day-of-yorkshire-dog-attacks-4430562

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/get-the-dog-off-me-chilling-screams-of-man-who-died-after-being-savaged-by-staffie-during-bbc-filming-a3501836.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-68133534

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crggw7x7pdvo

I could go on.

You're as bad as the deluded XL owners if you think otherwise. You just have a slightly better chance of fighting it off if it does decide to attack you.

XL bullies were the dog of choice for the large contingency of rough sleepers in our town centre. When the rules came in a local charity rushed to get the dogs castrated to get within the law. They took ownership of one which they then sent to live in Scotland because the laws were different. Go figure.

A big issue is people lying about the breed and crossing the terriers intill they are all mutts many of those dogs probably wasn't Staffordshire bull terriers.

They generally are Staffordshire bull terriers, which are basically just small pitbulls - they all have pit dna, meaning prone to aggression. Even if they are mutts with pit dna, they are enough pit to have this in-bred aggression. If it looks like a pit, be it a small staffordshire, or a larger one, they are more likely to be aggressive. And we can all identify which types they are. Most often with the attacks, photos show they are indeed SBTs or mixes thereof.

@Gladtobeout is correct. There are lots of bull breeds. I've had English bull terriers in the family for years. They are strong and daft but never had any issues with aggression in all the years I've had them. Look up attacks by these dogs - they are more cases from spaniels and poodles.
Despite owning a bull breed I hate XLB with a passion and believe they should be culled. They are not natural in the way a EBT or staffy is. The statistics speak for themselves.
But you still get idiots out and about who eyeball my EBT because they think he's the same.

Terrible and I agree with those who have said at least it was not a child or someone unconnected in the street.

when there are pitbull attacks in the US you get owners claiming the dog was trying to rescue the owner or play. It isn’t, it is a fighting breed that was triggered and killed. Retrievers retrieve, pointers point, herders herd, fighting dogs were originally bred to lock onto a target and kill.

Possibly eye-balling it just because it is hideously grotesque to look at.

Also, they have and do attack:

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/doncaster-woman-seriously-injured-in-dog-attack-in-own-home-by-english-bull-terrier-advertised-for-free-online-4382708

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teen-savaged-bull-terrier-says-29408534

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-ve-spent-years-in-war-zones-and-the-most-terrifying-moment-of-my-life-just-happened-in-norfolk/

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/princess-annes-bull-terrier-allegedly-8044349

It is concerning how EBT owners don't know how dangerous their dogs are, same as the XL people, same as the SBT people.

I really don't understand why this has not been more widely shared and distributed around the UK, especially in regard to XL bullies and when there was all the attention on the ban. A sizeable amount of XL bullies in the UK are descended from killer kimbo.

bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/comment-page-1/#comments

I am not a bull breed fan at all, but it's not fair to lump them all together in any way. Pedigree Staffordshire Bull Terriers are not a large dog, and although they can be troublesome with other dogs, well-bred ones have been present in huge numbers in this country for time immemorial without these problems. Ditto properly bred English Bull Terriers and Mastiffs/Bullmastiffs.

The majority of the dogs that are labelled 'Staffies' these days barely resemble the actual breed. Lots of the mastiff types include all sorts of other breeds (and people seem to think that labelling something a mastiff will hide the fact that it's an XL bully - one of the recent deaths was blamed on a Bullmastiff, but it was apparent from photos that it was nothing of the sort).

These recent dogs are just something different altogether. Call them what you like, but they are clearly a huge issue for temperament and gameness. People who think they are in control are sadly at risk of finding out they are very wrong.

I saw a post the other day on one of the articles about an attack from a mother who had young children and three XL Bullies, but that was fine because 'she never left them alone together'. You just can't educate these people that it will make no difference whether they're alone or half the family are there, no-one will be stopping them if they do turn on the children until it's too late.

@StanLeeCameo that's your opinion and a very rude one at that. Personally I think they are lovely to look at. You will find articles like that for all breeds if you look hard enough but to compare them to XL bully's who are essentially man made and bred to be aggressive is very naive.

It’s not being delusional and the same as irresponsible xl bully owners. It’s a fact well bred well trained staffs are good family pets. But of course they can attack and hurt or even kill, like lots of dogs. Unfortunately there are a breed that has unplanned litters, mixed breeds and owners who don’t meet their needs. More control is needed on dog breeds and ownership. Education on what dogs need.

Also you’re pulling data from 2005.
of we pulled data from all breeds from over 20 years we’d find articles on all of them.
but I agree with certain types of breeds are responsible for more aggressive attacks.
thats a fact. And one that needs control.

I'd almost be tempted to report that as a major safeguarding risk to the child. They only have to choose the moment when the dog is feeling a bit under the weather to climb on it and that will be the end.

I worry about meeting one of these dogs when walking mine. I tend to stick to busy areas now or hire a private field. Those and Cane Corsos. Another awful breed. I saw one with cropped ears heading to a local common this week. The woman walking it could hardly control it even with all the strappings and contraptions it had on. These things make a walk in the park seem very stressful and hard work. What is the appeal?

Another one was being walked in the Forest of Dean recently. Packed, loads of kids and families and other dogs in the cafe and milling about. This couple could hardly contain this huge beast of a dog. Why they were even there I have no idea because they looked stressed. The dog didn’t appear to be enjoying the experience and was on edge with all the noise.