50 women allegedly killed by men in UK so far in 2024

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The guardian has posted an article talking about the 50 women that have allegedly been killed by men in 2024

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2024/mar/08/killed-women-count-a-project-highlighting-the-toll-and-tragedy-of-violence-against-women-in-the-uk

im Spanish and I just checked how many have been killed this year :26.

RIP all of them. Wish sentences were more strict than what they are so men would think twice before killing anyone

The point about who uses violence is important. The evidence I saw was really that “loss of control” was nothing of the kind in cases of men killing women. That used to be accepted in law but now it is not. I put a bit of hope into the law recognizing coercive and controlling behaviour and understanding that men who engage in those offences are engaging in precursor behaviour to actual violence.

The better understood coercive and controlling conduct is, then at least there is a better chance of not entering a relationship with those dynamics. Or indeed leaving one.

Apologies for that, no what I replied to was your username and most of the quote, though it didn't seem like a quote at the time.

Knew before I even clicked on this thread I'd find gaslighting mansplaining and the classic "wOt AboUT WoMen wHO MuRDer tHooo?"

And there it is 🙄

Stats dont lie. Stacks of dead bodies dont lie.

Spin it however you want, statistically speaking if you're a female who gets murdered, in the staggering majority of cases, its by a man. The fact that men also murder men is fucking irrelevant and not the point of the conversation. Go start another thread on the subject if thats what you want to discuss!

Dont be ridiculous! How many women are trained in the martial arts?

The OP is about murder not a woman screaming at a man, stop your whataboutery! which is border line defending men who kill women.

I ve witnessed DV and until my mum picked up a knife and threatened to kill my so called father, he used his size and physical strength to use her as a human punch bag or as she told me when i was older "there isn't a part of my body he never kicked punched or bit"

To defend herself she used a knife and he ran from her! as all bullies do and thats what a man is who hits a woman.

Men will continue to use violence against women until there is sufficient deterrent/punishment for these men and protections for women, instead we see less and less men in court and more closures of DV refuges : 50% of women who call a DV helpline will get get no help at all, the sector is very much under funded.

There is also the lesser known Suicide by Victim of Domestic Abuse, which has a major correlation with coercive controlling behaviour and threat of partner leaving. As many women took their own lives in a domestic abuse situation as were murdered. Very few men have ever been prosecuted for this. A majority of the perpetrators were either known to the police, child services or mental health professionals.

@Merlinonline read the room, dude.

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This is not about people making an issue because they hate men.

This is talking about the fact that women are at risk of being murdered by their male partners, which is a fact.

No one here is saying “we all hate men”. I like most men. What we are saying is that there is a problem that has always been present whereby some men are unable or unwilling to restrain themselves leading to women being murdered.

Quoting individual cases of it being the other way around doesn’t add any value.
Yes all violence is a problem.
But neither of those points is relevant to the matter being discussed here.

What a useless word salad.
And why shoehorn woman against men violence which is a tiny problem on comparison with vawg?

And which sex is responsible for their murders, on the whole?

If we want to get practical I think we do need to educate girls as to what abusive and violent men appear to be and expectations in relationships.

I grew up and did not have a clue. But these men don’t go around with “violent” written on their heads. Much more needs to be done in schools. And setting standards in schools for women and girls. The Times has an article today about female teachers being called “bitch” by the boys. This misogynistic ideal seems to start early.

Personally, I think intervention needs to extend beyond schools.

I work in mental health.

I am MUCH more interested in men’s mental health and social circumstances come mid-life.

I am not so sure about this.

I have an uncle and a male cousin who were revered growing up. They were put on a pedestal due to sporting ability. They were loved, well fed, looked after with every need catered to.

Both are absolute arses. My cousin is abusive to his girlfriend in public, demeaning and humiliating her. Everyone freezes when it happens partly because they are afraid they will be next for his ire.

I shudder to think what her life is like with him in private. My loved uncle is the same.

All family members scratch our heads - where did it go wrong?

in my opinion they were loved TOO MUCH. Revered with no one to say NO.

So there is that too. It is not always abuse.

This is the Guardian.

we need to know how many of the men are killed by same sex partner.

We also need to know how many of the muderous women were actual women and not trans identifying men.

God the ‘what about the menz’ make me sick.

urgh puke-in-a-bucket. You can just imagine the state of them IRL

Well… maybe so. Ime however men learn violence and demeaning women from a close source. That is usually a violent father but doesn’t have to be.

Your cousin and uncle suggest that someone should step in; are people afraid of them?

Men learn that they are superior to women from an early age when they're taught that anything associated with girls is silly, weak and not to be respected.

As they grow older they're taught that women are less than them through objectifying media and messages. They learn to hate and despise women and to treat them with contempt.

Abuse which takes many forms but is essentially about power and control, is them acting on their socialisation.

Didnt take long for the mask to slip did it, "You dare to discuss male violence therefore You Hate ALL Men!"

Ok 😂😂😂

The incels have infiltrated MN..

yeah but why don't they LEARN from MN, there are loads of great threads here that could stop and incel from being an incel.

Hate on, not learn from I guess.

This Merlin chap needs to start their own thread, honestly. I think people need to stop engaging with them.

Also 50% increase in the amount of assaults of women and girls on trains in last 2 years.

is Merlin a man? That would be a bit too predictable really

I suspect Merlin is a woman. And a seal-y type one at that. (Based on earlier threads/posts). <taps side of nose>

One of those women who very earnestly defends the poor menz.

Yes, I’ve always thought men needed to get together and sort out their violence and toxicity. You do realise that women self-organised and funded and were behind the feminist movement. At times when they had no and then very little political representation, weren’t allowed to work in certain professions, or paid very much. We’ve still got a long way to go, our reproductive rights can be removed at any point by a couple of pieces of legislation, we experience more poverty, we face harrassment and violence throughout our daily lives and most of us curtail what we do because of this.

So off you pop to sort out your men’s movement - or do you think you’re also entitled to be given this by society.

if you read the article, men were being killed by other men in the main,

Oh right. How dull.

Yes, they always derail a thread. I bet on male dominated forums, they do not defend the female gender like women do for men on here.

Pathetic, and shows why women are each other worst enemy.