50 women allegedly killed by men in UK so far in 2024

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The guardian has posted an article talking about the 50 women that have allegedly been killed by men in 2024

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2024/mar/08/killed-women-count-a-project-highlighting-the-toll-and-tragedy-of-violence-against-women-in-the-uk

im Spanish and I just checked how many have been killed this year :26.

RIP all of them. Wish sentences were more strict than what they are so men would think twice before killing anyone

No thanks

Exactly. Not actually interested in the topic so much as in trying to stop women talking about male violence.

A man can kill another man (typically with thicker skull) with one punch. Or cripple the other man for life.

In the context of domestic violence, the man who raises his fist to a woman or child knows he can win. He can kill her far more easily than she can him; that is part of why he knows he can. His capacity to harm and kill is far greater. This applies to all men - the only useful distinction is a man who will not do so and one that will use that strength against a woman or child. Unfortunately there are plenty of them.

I read something about changing the statements to active voice as it makes it more obvious men are responsible rather than women, the victims.

So: Man aged 45 from Nitherampwell beat and murdered woman aged 42.

You talk about generalisations but you're extrapolating from an experience you've had of one woman.

Once a male has gone through puberty, they are many times stronger than the average woman. Teenage boys are capable of beating world class female athletes because women simply can't compete against male strength.

The point about language matters. Violent men do not get into physical fights with women. They simply beat them because there is little a woman or child to defend themselves effectively.

Many of them will admit to finding it exciting to see the distress. The motivation of these men are dark. The idea they “lose control” is wrong. They assert control by the method which guarantees it, violence.

No, I wasn't my first post was correcting someone who was going on about Sarah Everard which wasn't a DV case!

The article is about male violence against women, not just domestic abuse.

So what is your excuse for the example of the young mother who kicked eight bells of whatsit out of her partner and ended up losing her children as a result as it was a regular occurance?

Everard is so shocking because clearly her fear and terror was a key part of why her killer acted as he did. Violent men enjoy their power and directing it at women is something they enjoy. The reason is because there is nothing their victim can do.

It is higher. That’s the number of women who’s deaths have resulted in a man being charged.

You are just detailing the thread. I do not have to account for this case. Why is it relevant to male violence?

Have a look at

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/12/13/more-men-are-killed-in-households-each-year-than-women/

In short, if we are to stop women from being killed in the home, we need also to address how male violence can become normalised. And that means focusing on why the number of household male murder victims is on the rise, and why men killing men is all too often so unremarkable as to be of any concern at all.

The article sums the situation up very well, we need to look at all forms of violence. The women's movement has done an excellent job for women, now we need to do the same for men.

Always somebody who wants to say but look at the poor men.

The article sums the situation up very well, we need to look at all forms of violence. The women's movement has done an excellent job for women, now we need to do the same for men

Well you can make a start on that by creating a thread on the issue instead of hijacking this one.

It sure as shit didn’t take long for dead female victims of male violence to be further undermined by the collective keyboard warriors’ flawed argument: ‘More men are murdered than women’, which still points to the fact that perpetrators are- surprise, surprise- men. 🎉🎉🎉

Just like the crybaby Dutch rapist-turned-Olympic athlete. His tearful interviews further silence his victim while allowing him to pretend he’s taking responsibility for his abhorrent crime. Read his language and you’ll see a man who truly thinks he’s the victim. He cries for him, not his victim.

Fuck the silencers.

Btw I don’t think we will ever stop women being killed in their homes by their partners. It is the single biggest risk facing a woman in her day to day life if she has a male partner.

I do not think the contrary is true.

I worked in criminal justice for a while; domestic violence against women and children was an intractable issue. The only view I came to was that actually the reduction had to be achieved by doing something radical. That mean domestic violence being considered worse than stranger violence. And sentencing for that outcome. It would mean offenders not seeing their children.

What was interesting was the number of violent men who ended up in prison. I mean all kinds of violence. Something like two thirds had a violent father. How their lives might have differed if someone had protected them, I don’t know. But it was handed down to them like poison.

The women's movement still has a long way to go and we can't take our eye off the ball for a second, as recent rollbacks in women's rights should make very clear to anyone who is complacent about this.

Why aren't men doing anything about male violence, given that it's such a threat to them? Why are we (women) supposed to be responsible for this too?

Why didn't you just say that at the start?

All violence is wrong, some people just want to make an issue that all men are evil, because they hate men, but that is their problem.

I also thought it would be higher but like a pp noted that the data collection is something along the lines of “where a man has been charged.” It made me wonder about, for example, cases where a woman has been murdered and the perpetrator has then killed himself. Does that get included or not, since he can’t be charged? Perhaps there is a total reckoning up at the end of each year.

It’s abhorrent that we even have to wonder about the statistics to be honest. It’s important to have accurate data but oh god, how horrible the whole thing is.

I hope minors are included too (where there are whole family killings or including the recent Southport murders). They are still femicides.

The bit in bold is quoting another poster. As you probably know.

Merlin, why don’t you stop derailing a thread about an article highlighting male violence towards women? Is it touching a nerve seeing this issue given attention here?

I can’t find anything that says Kyle Clifford has been charged for those murders yet - think he’s still receiving treatment :/ so sadly the actual list is longer :(