To be ashamed that we have caused people of this country to live in fear?

[FinalInstructionstotheAudience]

Watching news. People, ordinary people apart from the colour of their skin, are being threatened, their business ruined, and are petrified to step outside.
Because a few ignorant, selfish, thuggish women and men, who don't have the wit to understand that social media spouts false information.
They don't want to understand what is happening, their herd mentality kicks in and off they go. They even take their kids. A new summer holiday past-time
What a disgusting country this has become

Exactly. 'WE' have not done anything. It's a small fraction of society. The vast majority of white people are good citizens who wouldn't harm a fly, are NOT racist, and would not partake in this shit.

I saw someone tweet earlier 'repost this if you think the UK is a racist country.' Of course it's not. It has some racist people in it, but it's ludicrous to call it a racist country. Total hysteria and hyperbole.

I live in a small village near a market town, and the population is around 20,000 (incl 7 surrounding villages.) 93% white demographic (the rest are black and Asian,) and there has not been one single attack on any of the 7%. Many of whom run barber shops, takeaways, taxi service, post office, and a few small shops.

So no I am not ashamed of anything. I have nothing to be ashamed of. I think what's happening is sad and horrible, but don't drag me into your 'we.'

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Just a few posts in and surprise surprise the OP starts getting a kicking. Some right cunts on here "oh I'm not part of "we" urgh you know full well what the OP is trying to say. A post about how awful people are being and some posters wanna get on their high horse lol fuck sake

As a white Muslim woman who is married to a middle Eastern man. With mixed race kids and business owners. I'm terrified these riots are going to migrate to where we are. And nothing we can do about it.

It’s quite concerning how all this violence , which seems specifically pointed towards one faith , is so downplayed on this thread , id be concerned too.

Exactly how Hilter steered his hate towards the Jews.

👏 Exactly what I said. I'm not having anyone drag me into the same category as the pig-headed racist thugs doing all the damage and attacking people who aren't white. I am sick of this 'UK is a racist country' shite. No it's not! It's a perfectly decent country with a lot of amazing kind people in it. Sadly there are some racist thugs too. Like there are in EVERY country.

Bollocks, still 10 kind reasoned people for every wanker in this country.

Probably way more than that actually.

It’s absolutely disgusting & they’re nothing short of thugs that should be severely punished.

I agree that immigration absolutely needs dealing with but this isn’t going to help in any way.

I agree. There’s some horrors on here these days unfortunately. Just sat, waiting to pounce with their mean pedantry.

Thatcher tried to reduce immigration in the 80s.
It never worked.
It increased.
It will always increase.
As the world population continues to grow and people will look to improve their quality of life and choices.
People want the same things to have a decent life.
They can 🔥 and loot as many shoe zones shops as they like immigration will still happen.

Islamification of what now?!

Do you have any examples of this happening?

I particularly enjoy the irony of Tommy Robinson complaining about being hounded on holiday and invading his privacy 🤣 You can't incite such hatred and fuck off for a peaceful two weeks in the sun Tommy boy.

It seems that “the left” are not being talked about, they are the ones doing the talking, and the labelling of anyone who is not obediently and vociferously siding with them “the far right”.

I am not saying 'we' are actively out on the streets, for goodness sake!
We refers to the fact that as a society, individuals are part of 'we'. Even if you didn't vote for 'x' government, or don't go to the same church as someone else, or have a different income, or live in a different place, you contribute to society, it's laws, and what most generally feel (not written, a collective ethic) is 'acceptable behaviour', and what we walk past/ignore (particularly when it doesn't affect us)
So our actions have consequences, even if they are not of our 'individual' making. Even if you live in an area where there is no rioting, or you have no experience of immigrants, you will be affected. Not by having your windows broken, or the local Greggs robbed, but by the exodus of immigrants who prop up so many of our care services and a plethora of other things which, hey, contribute to society, and upon which we rely, because they'e been driven out
That's the 'we'

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience

You said 'we' which means all of us, and it's NOT all of us. So stop trying to make out you meant some of the people in the UK when you clearly referred to the UK as a whole.

Read my last update again.

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience yes I am ashamed too and I agree that people are being whooped up on SM and in the press by being told ‘the reason you are poor, the reason for all your problems’ is the ‘migrant’. The migrant is a scapegoat. The migrant is being used as a way for poor people to have someone to blame when we should be blaming the governments and the ruling elite.
‘Social Media literacy’ is low amongst these people.
However I can see how social unrest has come about. 14 years of ‘austerity’, of services cut, of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, the cost of living crisis, too much poverty. All of this creates anger. Unfortunately the anger is being directed at the wrong people.

Yeah, now is not the moment to chime in about 'the left'.

We've had progressively more and more right wing policies for over a decade, and thats just from our elected officials.We dont need to imagine the kind of racist narrative that has been allowed to grow elsewhere, the Nigel Farages of the world, touring the neglected parts of the country and pointing their fingers at the enemy in the dinghies, all while we are surrounded by a corrupt government siphoning public money away from where we need it and into their own pockets. What we are suffering from now is a result of that.

Let's bring an end to this far right violence before we start on about 'the left'.

@howchildrenreallylearn ,

‘yes I am ashamed too and I agree that people are being whooped up on SM and in the press by being told ‘the reason you are poor, the reason for all your problems’ is the ‘migrant’. The migrant is a scapegoat. The migrant is being used as a way for poor people to have someone to blame when we should be blaming the governments and the ruling elite. ‘

This is a popular thing to say, but is it true? Low skill immigration does impoverish the bottom quartile and increase income inequality, despite overall increasing GDP (though not necessarily GDP per capita).

Of course, it isn’t any individual’s fault and people will react to incentives, so in that sense you are right.

The below is from the IFS:

‘If we consider that labour is differentiated by skills within countries, then migration may furthermore lead to a reduction or an increase in inequality within countries, following the same mechanism. Unskilled immigration will lead to increased labour competition for unskilled workers in the destination country, leading to possibly falling wages at the low end of the income distribution, but an increase in wages further up. The opposite happens in the origin country. Thus, in this example, migration will lead to an increase in the wage gap between the lowest and highest earners in the destination country but a decrease in the origin country. Skilled migration will have opposite effects.’

I dispute this labelling of people as “far right”. Last night on the news, the cousin of the woman who had been trying to shield the girls from the knife attack was talking about how ashamed and appalled he was by the actions in Southport - especially seeing that some people he knew were part of it.

This contradicts the narrative that the Southport protesters weren’t local people.

There are, of course, going to be some agitators causing trouble, there always are. Peaceful protests rarely make the news. But I simply do not believe that all the people protesting are ‘far right’. Many of them are probably labour/former labour voters.

100%

The rioters initially were out because of misinformation about the person suspected of killing those girls. Let's say that person was an illegal immigrant and he was Muslim. So what? What does that individuals crime have to do with the wider immigrant or non white set of communities? But ok, let's park that and say the protesters have a point.

Once it came out that the guilty person was a British person, not a person who arrived in a boat or an illegal immigrant or a Muslim, then why have the protests continued in the same fashion, possibly getting even more irate and violent?

What relation do they actually have with what happened in Southport?

Where were these defender's of the slain innocent when those three women were murdered in North London with a crossbow? When Sarah Everard was taken by a volunteer policeman? When Hugh Edwards, or even Prince Philip, were accused of their sickening crimes? Do we all point fingers to the white community and say look, the whole community is at it again?

Yes, a commonly accepted form of writing to refer to a plural group you consider yourself a part of!

You wouldn't write "I" and then say "oh of course I didn't actually mean me!"

You can't say "we" and then say "oh but I meant random other people not myself or the group I was addressing"

It's interesting that only now people are up in arms.

I and many other Jewish people have been afraid to go into town centres for the past 9 months due to the antisemitism displayed on the pro-terror marches. It's shit.

Ihopeithinkiknow · Today 12:47
Just a few posts in and surprise surprise the OP starts getting a kicking. Some right cunts on here "oh I'm not part of "we" urgh you know full well what the OP is trying to say. A post about how awful people are being and some posters wanna get on their high horse lol fuck sake
I agree. There’s some horrors on here these days unfortunately. Just sat, waiting to pounce with their mean pedantry.

Rubbish. What you cannot see is that this is a 'You people' thread, with the OP setting herself up as the voice of reason.
No, I am not and will not be ashamed of the acts of others.
I will condemn, I will speak out against injustice, but I will not be lumped with a team of mindless bigots.
Perhaps OP has chosen the wrong phase, but she needs to admit that and not include the vast majority of us in the acts of a few.
She could have edited the title, but no, post after post explaining how we are all the problem, and as for saying this has become a disgusting country - she should try living in a few really disgusting countries.
'Ordinary people, apart from the colour of their skin'???? What is that supposed to mean? Yes, I will pounce on that every time.