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To be ashamed that we have caused people of this country to live in fear?

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FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 06/08/2024 06:44

Watching news. People, ordinary people apart from the colour of their skin, are being threatened, their business ruined, and are petrified to step outside.
Because a few ignorant, selfish, thuggish women and men, who don't have the wit to understand that social media spouts false information.
They don't want to understand what is happening, their herd mentality kicks in and off they go. They even take their kids. A new summer holiday past-time
What a disgusting country this has become

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Newbutoldfather · 06/08/2024 07:46

There are a lot of people who claim that fairly moderate statements are incitement to violence. They aren’t. The bar to this is pretty high, as it should be.

And there is an amazing tilt of some on here toe excuse violence on pro Palestine or BLM marches, but not ‘right wing’ marches.

Violence and intimidation are never acceptable, regardless of cause.

Equally, it is really important that we keep our right to free speech. People want this discarded way too quickly.

twopercent · 06/08/2024 07:47

Scarletrunner · 06/08/2024 07:02

I blame the Gov. I can remember people complaining locally back in the early 2000s that incomers were getting the council houses. Who knows if that is true or not but no one has openly published figures to prove it's not.
So it's been 20 years of people moaning and nothing was ever done by any Gov.

Figures are published very regularly to prove this is not true. People who continue to believe this are doing so because they want to, even in the face of evidence against it. These are low IQ thugs, you can't change their mindset with facts

Walrusdress · 06/08/2024 07:47

Newbutoldfather · 06/08/2024 07:46

There are a lot of people who claim that fairly moderate statements are incitement to violence. They aren’t. The bar to this is pretty high, as it should be.

And there is an amazing tilt of some on here toe excuse violence on pro Palestine or BLM marches, but not ‘right wing’ marches.

Violence and intimidation are never acceptable, regardless of cause.

Equally, it is really important that we keep our right to free speech. People want this discarded way too quickly.

Yes, even lived experiences it seems is enough to get them frothing.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 06/08/2024 07:47

Maloneyb · 06/08/2024 07:37

@Walrusdress sorry, but burning down hotels with “immigrants” in is not protesting. It’s attempted murder. It’s rioting. It’s terrorism. It’s inhumane.

This. All those involved need to
be arrested and prosecuted.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/08/2024 07:48

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 06/08/2024 06:44

Watching news. People, ordinary people apart from the colour of their skin, are being threatened, their business ruined, and are petrified to step outside.
Because a few ignorant, selfish, thuggish women and men, who don't have the wit to understand that social media spouts false information.
They don't want to understand what is happening, their herd mentality kicks in and off they go. They even take their kids. A new summer holiday past-time
What a disgusting country this has become

Are we a disgusting country?

Millions of people who came here for a better life would disagree with you.

Frequency · 06/08/2024 07:48

I've also been frightened and harassed by "certain men", and assaulted more than once. However, ime, it is always white men.

I understand there are issues that need addressing, especially after Rotherham, but let's not pretend a group of white men would have never...

It's not a Muslim thing, it's a man thing.

And it has fuck all to do with what is going on now.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 06/08/2024 07:49

velvetcoat · 06/08/2024 07:45

Well said. Fear is not a new thing FGS. I've been fearful of being harassed (and have been many times), raped or attacked or worse my entire life- this isnt new. Women have been living with this for centuries and its always been repulsive.

Exactly. I am brown and I have always avoided going to certain areas. It is nothing new. I have never felt that I would be hurt but just felt that I wouldn't be welcomed.

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 06/08/2024 07:50

Maloneyb · 06/08/2024 07:45

So maybe in your original post you should’ve said “certain men for me” 🙄

now you’re trying to justify what comes across as a racist comment where you think “certain” men are the problem so riot away..

And here we go again.

First this lady is attacked for not taking a wider, more balanced and educated perspective to her lived experience.

Now, she's attacked for semantics.

And we wonder why we have such a problem with how women are treated in this country. Who needs men to abuse us? We disbelieve and look for reasons to undermine each other ourselves. Carry on the work for them.

CosmicDaisyChain · 06/08/2024 07:50

I want to see the media used as a force for good. Yesterday I saw a report showing just 3 pictures (yes just 3!) of mosque worshippers reaching out talking to and embracing protesters and handing them food which were drowned by the rest of the media being flooded with carnage on the streets, rioting crowds, petrol bombing hotels, fires, cars overturned, police bleeding and being dragged away, streets strewn with bricks. I want to see more of those beautiful moments captured in the pictures of unity and hope that were lost among it.

Walrusdress · 06/08/2024 07:51

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 06/08/2024 07:50

And here we go again.

First this lady is attacked for not taking a wider, more balanced and educated perspective to her lived experience.

Now, she's attacked for semantics.

And we wonder why we have such a problem with how women are treated in this country. Who needs men to abuse us? We disbelieve and look for reasons to undermine each other ourselves. Carry on the work for them.

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Thank you, I'm choosing not to reply to goading.

Brexile · 06/08/2024 07:51

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/08/2024 07:48

Are we a disgusting country?

Millions of people who came here for a better life would disagree with you.

I doubt many immigrants are happy about feral mobs attempting to murder them, and effectively intimidating POC into hiding indoors.

Hatfullofwillow · 06/08/2024 07:51

IMustDoMoreExercise · 06/08/2024 07:41

Yes to TR

and perhaps LF (I don't know enough)

But no to the others.

We have to have free speech.

How about we act as they'd like us to? Remove their citizenship, put them on a plane to Rwanda, and only let them back in if they can get to the UK and successfully claim asylum.

Mrsdyna · 06/08/2024 07:53

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IMustDoMoreExercise · 06/08/2024 07:53

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 06/08/2024 07:45

Yep, watching the riots took me back to my council estate days when I was afraid to walk some places as a girl because of gangs of boys and getting spat on/attacked. We've let this thuggish behaviour go on for far too long.

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Yes. I assume there was no racism there.

My husband is white and he said that when his granddad was young in the 1920s men would be beaten up if they stayed in to the wrong part of town.

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 06/08/2024 07:54

CosmicDaisyChain · 06/08/2024 07:50

I want to see the media used as a force for good. Yesterday I saw a report showing just 3 pictures (yes just 3!) of mosque worshippers reaching out talking to and embracing protesters and handing them food which were drowned by the rest of the media being flooded with carnage on the streets, rioting crowds, petrol bombing hotels, fires, cars overturned, police bleeding and being dragged away, streets strewn with bricks. I want to see more of those beautiful moments captured in the pictures of unity and hope that were lost among it.

Agreed. Media has a lot to answer for. It's impossible to keep on top of all the news even in our own local communities. We're all just stuck behind devices reading about things that are happening somewhere else & often the worst news prevails - it's dehumanising. Thank you for sharing this. We have to believe there are people out there doing good.

AddictedToBooks · 06/08/2024 07:55

It's awful (I do hope these racist bigots ensure that all of their food, beer, wine, clothes, vehicles, vehicle parts etc are "English"!

Yesterday I had a grocery delivery and the delivery man was Asian and at first he appeared stand-offish - but me, being me, I still said "Good morning" in a friendly way and he totally changed and became friendly and chatty but he admitted that he was new to his job, needed his job but was afraid of the day and he was petrified of how his customers were going to react to him and he admitted that that was why he didn't make eye contact with me or speak to me until I'd spoken to him.

The poor man was literally afraid to do his job because of these disgusting rioters.

They've literally peed all over the memories of Bebe, Elsie Dot and Alice - they've taken attention away from those little innocent girls (when their killer was actually born in Cardiff and wasn't Muslim and he's been charged and is in custody) and they've used it as a tool to perpetrate hatred.

The Sainsburys store that got hit was where my sister works - it was terrifying.

Sallyshome · 06/08/2024 07:59

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LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 06/08/2024 07:59

AddictedToBooks · 06/08/2024 07:55

It's awful (I do hope these racist bigots ensure that all of their food, beer, wine, clothes, vehicles, vehicle parts etc are "English"!

Yesterday I had a grocery delivery and the delivery man was Asian and at first he appeared stand-offish - but me, being me, I still said "Good morning" in a friendly way and he totally changed and became friendly and chatty but he admitted that he was new to his job, needed his job but was afraid of the day and he was petrified of how his customers were going to react to him and he admitted that that was why he didn't make eye contact with me or speak to me until I'd spoken to him.

The poor man was literally afraid to do his job because of these disgusting rioters.

They've literally peed all over the memories of Bebe, Elsie Dot and Alice - they've taken attention away from those little innocent girls (when their killer was actually born in Cardiff and wasn't Muslim and he's been charged and is in custody) and they've used it as a tool to perpetrate hatred.

The Sainsburys store that got hit was where my sister works - it was terrifying.

My friend, who is South Asian and living in the UK, said the worst thing for her is going about her daily business now knowing whether the people she interacts with secretly have far right views or secretly judge her because of the colour of her skin. It's made her feel like she can't trust people & she's constantly trying to assess their intentions.

I can't imagine the psychological impact that has.

loudbatperson · 06/08/2024 08:01

Scarletrunner · 06/08/2024 07:02

I blame the Gov. I can remember people complaining locally back in the early 2000s that incomers were getting the council houses. Who knows if that is true or not but no one has openly published figures to prove it's not.
So it's been 20 years of people moaning and nothing was ever done by any Gov.

People have complained about that for as long as there has been social housing, even though it can be proved to be incorrect through local FOI.

Divide and conquer is going great. People look down to see who to blame for their lives instead of taking a step back and looking at how unsustainably things are set up, and who are the actual beneficiaries.

The kicking downward hasn't happened organically, it's been curated. Keep the masses kicking each other and they're too busy to step up and demand the system be fixed.

We live in a society where two people earning the mean income often need to be propped up financially to sustain the basics of housing, clothing and feed themselves and two children. That's before looking at those on the minimum wage.

People are angry, across most groups whether cultural, societal or income. This anger is being manipulated and pointed at the group below by those that benefit from the current rigged set up.

Those with no jobs or lower paying jobs are told it's the migrants fault they can earn a living wage or afford even a modest house. Those in the middle, that should on paper be doing well but are struggling, are told it's the benefits recipients either not working or not working enough.

All the while, our economy is underpinned by businesses effectively having their wage bill subsidised by tax payers, as in work benefits allows them to hire people to work for unliveable wages. Houses are being bought for landlords from housing benefit and UC payments.

If you are not independently wealthy, no matter how well you earn, you are being fucked over. If the 99% stopped ripping each other apart we could demand change.

But the messaging in the public creates this boiling pot, where everyone thinks it's the person below them on the ladder holding them back, instead of those looking at the very top pushing everyone further down.

The anger, frustration and resentment is used by a few to insight whatever hatred will help further their own agenda. People are making careers out of the hate we are seeing on streets, people are making money out of it. Untill everyone starts looking up to see why the system is broken, we're all totally fucked.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 06/08/2024 08:02

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/08/2024 07:48

Are we a disgusting country?

Millions of people who came here for a better life would disagree with you.

As previously explained, using 'we' isxa form of expression

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Scarletrunner · 06/08/2024 08:05

twopercent · 06/08/2024 07:47

Figures are published very regularly to prove this is not true. People who continue to believe this are doing so because they want to, even in the face of evidence against it. These are low IQ thugs, you can't change their mindset with facts

Figures were published to demonstrate that 700,000 immigrants came to this country last year. They aren't living in tents.

Dermadirj · 06/08/2024 08:07

I was watching Birmingham last night on various people's tiktok lives. It looked like it was local people of colour (men) gathering to protect an area of the city. I'm not from there so I don't know which area it was - maybe close to a mosque, or an area home to lots of people of colour?

I'm asian and I grew up with stories my mum would tell me of the local asians who would gather on the streets on the 70s whenever the skinheads started flaring up in Southall - a high density asian area of London. Once, as a young girl, she was trapped in a building on a high street because the skinheads were rioting down the way. But it was ok because the Sikhs and punjabis were on the streets, keeping the skinheads at bay.

From this context, what happened in Birmingham yesterday makes sense. Its to stop the mob damaging places of worships or shops or homes or hurting people. Because their are clearly not nearly enough police to stop that sort of thing from happening. Its very scary.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/08/2024 08:08

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 06/08/2024 08:02

As previously explained, using 'we' isxa form of expression

Yes, I know that.

My point wasn't about the "we" expression.

My point was that if we were indeed disgusting as a country then millions of people wouldn't be coming here.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/08/2024 08:09

Dermadirj · 06/08/2024 08:07

I was watching Birmingham last night on various people's tiktok lives. It looked like it was local people of colour (men) gathering to protect an area of the city. I'm not from there so I don't know which area it was - maybe close to a mosque, or an area home to lots of people of colour?

I'm asian and I grew up with stories my mum would tell me of the local asians who would gather on the streets on the 70s whenever the skinheads started flaring up in Southall - a high density asian area of London. Once, as a young girl, she was trapped in a building on a high street because the skinheads were rioting down the way. But it was ok because the Sikhs and punjabis were on the streets, keeping the skinheads at bay.

From this context, what happened in Birmingham yesterday makes sense. Its to stop the mob damaging places of worships or shops or homes or hurting people. Because their are clearly not nearly enough police to stop that sort of thing from happening. Its very scary.

Was the Sky news crew about to attack?