To be ashamed that we have caused people of this country to live in fear?

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Watching news. People, ordinary people apart from the colour of their skin, are being threatened, their business ruined, and are petrified to step outside.
Because a few ignorant, selfish, thuggish women and men, who don't have the wit to understand that social media spouts false information.
They don't want to understand what is happening, their herd mentality kicks in and off they go. They even take their kids. A new summer holiday past-time
What a disgusting country this has become

Being an asylum seeker makes you eligible for a shared room in a hostel, temporarily, while your case is on the waiting list. That ends when the case is heard.

The way to decrease the number of asylum seekers sitting waiting in shared rooms in hostels is to tackle the backlog of cases, and get them processed.

@Humdingerydoo ,

‘No one should be afraid to be themselves, to embrace and be proud of their own culture, religion or even skin colour for fuck sake. It's beyond absurd. ‘

I am Jewish too and, in response to the above statement, I would say ‘up to a point’.

If you immigrate into a country, you have to accept their culture, especially where it concerns fundamental rights. The religious Jewish schools in N. London which pretend not to be schools (the parents claim their children are home ed) which mainly teach religion, and give the girls virtually no education in the sense that we understand it, should be shut down.

Equally, I don’t think that Sharia courts should be allowed in this country, regardless of whether it is claimed that they are subservient to UK law. There is a community pressure to accept these courts’ rulings in favour of going to the police in certain communities.

And fireworks beyond midnight on Diwali mid-week, just no. You have to respect people’s right to quiet enjoyment of their property.

Part of the national curriculum is British Values which, to be honest, would fit most western Christian (or atheist) values. But, for some reasons, some cultures seem to get a free pass around them.

We should all be allowed to enjoy our individual religions and cultures where they do not come into conflict with the rights and culture of this country: women’s rights, rights to education etc.

Racism is a bit like Transphobia, there are nuances within it. If I hate different races or treat them differently, I am racist. If I expect my Pakistani friends to treat white women the same way they treat their own women, that isn’t racism. (I had a friend years ago who was a ‘top shagger’ but expected his wife to be a virgin (and had it checked out). If I have reservations about low cost, unskilled mass immigration, again, that does not make me a racist.

The rioters and violent people are ignorant scum who need to be arrested and jailed if they commit crimes. However, to pretend that they are not symptomatic of deeper problems and a national dialogue that we need to have, however uncomfortable, will just kick the can down the road.

So, are you proud of the GB atheletes? Because if you can be proud of your country, or individuals in it, you can also be ashamed about the behavious of it's population and/or actions

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but I was just reading about the black man attacked in Manchester yesterday.

At least 8/9 men were attacking this one man.
Kicking him and punching him to the ground.
One man even attacks him with a metal fence.

This man was trying to defend himself but every time he tried to get up - the mob would keep punching and kicking him to the ground.

The police finally intercept it and it’s the black man who the police tackle to the ground and arrest.

He was later de-arrested but he should have never been tackled or arrested by police in the first place, when he was so obviously the victim.

This incident alone proves how racist this country is.

@Dermadirj It’s as if we’ve gone back to the 60s! We have the “grandchildren” of the racists back then being exactly the same now. Metaphorically.

I think we have a section of society that’s always going to demand a different outcome, want a more inward UK and blame others for their own inadequacy. Brexit arguments fueled this for over 30 years whipping up dislike of others and blaming others became mainstream. People are easily led and believe rubbish. What’s sad is that they believe it.

The discussion I heard about corner shops is an interesting one. Germans were whipped up to dislike Jewish owned businesses. We now have people complaining about who owns corner stores. No “thanks for keeping them open” so I can get provisions locally. Just nasty comments about the owners. These types who complain are the lowest of the low. When they riot and say they are not listened to, they mean the rest of us don’t accept their racist bile. They don’t deserve to be listened to.

Farage and others stir it up. Politicians do have a duty to not say anything inflammatory. People like Braverman and Farage have made a career of it. Braverman is a pull up the drawbridge politician and many like her voted for Brexit.

What? What have they been doing?

Wow, I wish I was as "educated" as you and the violent thugs you defend. I can only dream of such erudition.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx66dkx3wlo

This gives some perspective.

I deplore what is going on, but I don’t feel ashamed. I’ve done nothing to make anyone feel anything.🙄

I'm an immigrant but get called an expat because I'm white and from and English speaking country. I came on a visa many moons ago because the uk has a huge shortage of skilled labour in my industry. They had to prove they'd looked for 2 years inside the country before they could hire me. I've always been a top rate tax payer and a net contributor. I'm hardly alone and london seems to be stuffed full of like-others. Lots are now leaving the UK as it's become a less and less attractive place to live. I haven't seen published statistics but I wonder what proportion are net contributors?

So, are you proud of the GB atheletes? Because if you can be proud of your country, or individuals in it, you can also be ashamed about the behavious of it's population and/or actions

Yes, I am ashamed of you, 'that we have caused people of this country to live in fear?' How could you do that?
I am not part of the shameful behaviour, so don't include me in your shame.

Nobody is arguing that it is a complex issue that requires a complex solution. The difficulty comes when we fail to see the bigger picture and start talking in absolutes.
First of all, net migration is falling and will probably continue to fall. Granted, not as fast as people are expecting and it will take yet longer for anyone to see tangible effect in their daily lives.
secondly, we have to look at the figures. 40% of non-eu migration are people on work visas. Those are people who work in the NHS, care sector, possibly schools, i.e. delivering the vital services where there is a massive recruitment gap. Changes have been made to the visa process which means it is more difficult to move to the UK with dependents. Most of people on work visas will not meet the salary threshold.
30% of non-eu migration are student visas - people who are propping up universities. They mostly live in university accommodation and use university GPs and probably have little impact on local housing (although, I don’t have statistics to prove it). Dependent visas for students are no longer a thing and students will likely leave as soon as they finish their studies. In fact, the net student migration is negative already.
10% are asylum seekers. They are not going anywhere, granted.
I don’t have the recent figures but, historically net contribution of EU migration to the uk was to the tune of £5 billion. In contrast, net contribution of the local population was negative £600 billion over 10 year period. So EU migration helped to offset almost 10% of the costs of delivering services to the local population.
It is difficult to estimate the impact of ageing population and fall in birth rates. Granted, it can be argued that birth rates are a bit of a chicken and egg situation. We could need migrants because we have lower birth rates but, equally, people may be more reluctant to have children due to lack of resources.
But, I hope we agree that the issue is more complex than simply closing the borders. Every bit of social policy needs to be looked at in order to guarantee higher quality of life for the native population. I live in a relatively homogenous city and I am the only foreign person in my NHS team. But when I worked in London, NHS was mostly staffed by immigrants. It takes time to train a clinician or a medic. Net negative EU migration post Brexit meant trusts had to make up the numbers with equivalent number of non-eu workers who receive fairly expensive relocation packages. We simply do not currently have enough qualified personnel locally to build the roads, teach in schools and treat people. And won’t, for some time yet.

Are you saying no asylum seekers are living in social housing flats or houses? because there are.

I know of many and the poster I was replying to referred to the previous tenant of her social housing flat being an asylum seeker and a new neighbour being an asylum seeker.

Many of the residents effected by the Grenfell tower tragedy were asylum seekers or had otherwise insecure immigration status. The government set up a plan afterwards to fast-track some of the survivors asylum and immigration claims and extend leave to remain status.

It's inaccurate to claim asylum seekers only get a shared room in a hostel. Some may, not all by any stretch.

Earlier this year the home office rented 16,000 properties to house asylum seekers to cut down the use of hotels.

Coming up behind them and bricking and punching them in the back of their heads. Beating them up in groups and so on.

exactly.

CrimmTrent · Today 09:10
LydiaTomos · Today 06:50
I'm not part of the "we" OP. Why do you count yourself as part of this group? I have the same colour skin as the rioters, but that's were any similarities end.

exactly.

And exactly again!

Personally I'd like to see the uk lower the threshold for well educated immigrants. I know lots who came with not much but had huge potential which they've fulfilled. Most of them wouldn't get in now due to the barrier being too high for salary. We are shipping off our net contributors and those with the potential to be so at an alarming rate. The brain drain is a massive problem.

This is exactly why people are so angry and attitudes like yours are fuelling this current horrific situation. The 100s of Muslim men in Birmingham last night who were armed and attacking people (white people mainly), smashing up cars - I could go on - are no better nor are they any more justified in their actions than the white people who are rioting. Yet as people have pointed out on here, Birmingham is not being reported on in the same way, footage shows there was no police presence, no riot gear, and there has yet to be any speeches from the government condemning it. It seems there are different standards expected depending on what 'bracket' you fit in to. It's all wrong and disgusting behaviour, and people like you excusing it are absolutely shocking

Can we stop this good guy, bad guy narrative? They are all thugs. The Birmingham crowd last night were looking for a fight, not there to peacefully protect their families. The idea that things would be entirely harmonious except for white people is unhelpful and untrue. I grew up with sectarian Muslim on Muslim violent riots. They were terrifying. There are violent thugs on all sides that should be utterly condemned and not made excuses for.

Looting shoe zone ffs

Says it all.

Sorry didn't mean to add the quote

Crocs stolen

This is a direct result of the austerity measures, pandemic and economic downturn. People who are trapped in high stress situations are taking out on the people they think are taking from them.
The stabbing of little kids was used as an excuse but it was always going to happen at some point.

This must be the two tier policing people were talking about. One demographic riots and it's all over the main stream media, another riots and there's a press blackout.

To an extent I agree, in that we don't want random groups of men congregating in this sort if highly charged situation. But to equate the people in Birmingham with the far right rioters is incredibley disingenuous from my point of view. I've watched both groups on tiktok live, as they're going about whatever they're doing, and they behave very differently. Obviously we've all seen the wanton violence and destruction of the far right group. And as I said, when I watched the Birmingham group they were just standing around - no looting, no violence, no clashes with police, no destruction. You'll get bad faith actors everywhere though, and it's awful and inexcusable that those tires were slashed and that woman intimidated.

That being said, my family and community has personal experience of this kind of racist violence, so I'm not going to condemn people for protecting their communities when the police so far have been unable to do so. Had my community not stepped up to protect their people, homes and businesses in the 60s/70s, well then maybe my mum wouldnt have made it out of that high street building.

Maybe we need to call the army in and that will stop the chaos?

How is burning down a corner shop owned by two Syrian refuges in Northern Ireland a peaceful protest ? What harm are these refuges causing ? On the contrary they are contributing to the community .
All these anti immigration protest are just an excuse to incite violence.

All of them.
Add that katie hopkins to pot too.
Didn't Hitler express freedom of speech?

Farage has bought this country to its knees.