Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

Mail says he's been caught.

They caught him in the cemetery - great!

I said the second we heard about this on the news this morning that it would be something like this. Absolutely disgusting.

How awful.

Carole, Hannah and Louise. RIP.

THIS would potentially be a good idea, but smacks too much of Hitler to be workable. Eugenics. Only the best of temperaments and intelligence allowed to breed.

{In dog breeding, temperament is definitely carried down the line and is very heritable.}

If one only bred from intelligent, gentle loving men, and put those to intelligent gentle women, the offspring might potentially be better.

However, is it nature or nurture?

A shitty upbringing does nobody any favours.

Some women?

1 in 7 men are victims of domestic abuse, that's a huge number.

NAWALT doesn't apply either.

The problem is we can't rely on parents to raise a boy not to behave aggressively. If we could, we wouldn't have a problem.

Where I live, it's a typical street, not a "problem" area. My downstairs neighbour and next door neighbours, there are young adult sons at both homes. I regularly hear those men lose their temper, F.in and yelling at their sisters and mothers. In one home there is a father, in the other there isn't. Clearly it should have been addressed long ago but wasn't. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they end up being abusive partners to any female unfortunate enough to date them.

I do think it requires a real shift in society as a whole. How we achieve that I don't know. I think there needs to be a lot more protection and support for potential victims. Currently you can report someone for DV or stalking (which an ex might do) but they won't go to prison and usually they know where you live, unless you're able to completely uproot your life and "disappear". So you're still at risk. There is something called the "Sanctuary scheme" but it's expensive and not available to all.

I also think the law really needs to get tough on this area. Men convicted of DV generally get community sentences. Some will do a relationship programme, if they're willing. I can't say if it works or not. Those who refuse or object, don't have to do it because if they're not willing they won't get put on the group, mainly as it would be a waste of time and disruptive to those who did agree. But even if the programme does work, for every man that stops being abusive, 10 more are there to take his place.

We also need to stop the NAMALT. While we "other" violent men, it's easy to ignore them and say things like some pp's in this thread like "well I don't know any men like that". It is a problem for all of us. We all need to say, we don't accept this. How many people have been in a friendship group and have maybe been a bit uncomfortable with the way a man has spoken to his partner, but figured it wasn't really their business and their place to say anything? We need to make any abusive type behaviours socially unacceptable. Which I appreciate is difficult.

So much has to change. But it really has to.

Kids access to porn can't be helping. Lots of kids are getting a very warped view of sex and relationships. Andrew Tate can't be helping either.

I feel desperately sorry for the bereaved father/husband. But I see no 'hatred for men' on this thread; only justifiable anger and disgust that yet more women have been killed by men.

I am afraid that if we are looking for evidence of hatred by members of one sex towards the other, overwhelmingly it points the other way in the lethal violence repeatedly inflicted by men on women. The fact that many men do not act like this shows clearly that engaging in violent acts is a choice that these men make.

Take responsibility. My upbringing was terrible. A friend once asked how did I manage not to be a drug addict, alcoholic or have several kids but different men due to what had happened with me. Er, none of those things were choices I would make.

Upbringing is not a get out of jail card.

edited to add this is in response to @oakleaffy comment

He’s been caught alive I hope. Death is too kind for this piece of shit.

Yes Sky news aren't reporting that and they are usually first with breaking news so I'm not sure if that's correct

Most sensible answer so far

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It's horrible. The second it was known that three women had been killed in the same house, I immediately thought, "That's going to be the work of a man killing his partner/ex and her friends l/family".

It's not uncommon. I think the only reason it made headline news was because he was still at large, and the victims' relative worked for the BBC, which is why they're leading with the shameful man-centric angle of "wife/daughter of" angle, as if they weren't people in their own right.

Don't get me wrong, I feel painfully sorry for Mr Hunt, but I feel more for Carol, Hannah and Louise, who have paid the worst possible price due to male aggression.

Of course it's not all men. But it's more than enough to realise that there's something fundamentally broken with how society raises men, and how it treats women.

But if your upbringing was that bad, you probably had involvement from Social workers- and any social worker will say that a poor upbringing is a strong predictor of repeating the cycle .
There are multi generational ''Problem families'' where the cycle of abuse just continues down the generations.

rainbowsponge a trooper in the army apparently. Whether trained to kill with a crossbow or not my point is the normalization of violence and killing as a direct result of going through the training.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-kyle-clifford-crossbow-triple-33214395

This is bang on the money. There are too many men who either can't or won't find another way to deal with their emotions than violence. Domestic abuse (i dislike that expression as i think 'domestic' makes it sound mundane but i can't think of another off the top of my head) increases during football season, for example. A bloke's team loses, he has a skinful then assaults his partner. It's such entrenched behaviour and it's on men to solve, but there seems little appetite to do so.
I think it's possible to feel deep sympathy for the men also affected by violence, and my heart breaks for John and his family, yet also be in despair at the men who continue to commit these atrocities.

Seen you on a few threads today. You like an argument 🤨

Exactly this. Like the drunk/ drugged driver convicted yesterday of killing a baby and his aunt in an horrific crash where he was driving way above the speed limit and taking selfies, and whose response was to say “mistakes happen”, refuse a blood test and try to flirt with nurses at the hospital. Some men are beyond belief.

Yeah the prick has been caught, glad he didn't get the chance to take the cowards way out, well done police 👏

Kyle Clifford has been found by police.

Just horrific. I commend the paramedics who must be be finding it horrendously hard to treat this vile cunt but will anyway because it’s what they’ve trained to do.

I hope there is adequate support for everyone involved in this case.