Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

No I don’t think you’re getting my point. It’s not abnormal. Not abnormal enough by a bloody long shot.

Look at the posts here. ‘not another one’ ‘male violence again’ ‘I’m guessing he was the ex of one of the girls’ - NOT ‘fucking hell that’s unbelievable’. More ‘sadly this is totally believable’.

I don’t think this scumbag was necessarily mentally ill. I think it’s actually just as likely that he is yet another violent, aggressive, entitled piece of shit who literally could not cope with a woman saying no to him.

Yes I agree too.

When a man here in Ireland killed his wife & 3 little boys there was a subsequent campaign called Her Name Was Clodagh.

She hadn’t had a name before, she was the wife of.

It is misogyny

It is a HELL of a lot of them, or VAWG, rape, harrassment, sexual abuse, domestic abuse, child abuse, would not be so frighteningly common that every woman has a tale - usually multiple tales - to tell on that same theme.

It's not rare. It's not unusual. This man is not an outlier. 2-3 women a WEEK are murdered by men they know.

Male violence against women is a sourge. Three women have lost their lives senselessly today, yet still the pathetic NAMALTers are out in force on this thread.

Gently, mildly, kindly and all the other inspid Mumsnet disclaimers in force: Fuck That Noise, the PPs who are making it, and the horses they rode in on. If I told them in the language I'd like to where they can take that risible fucking phrase, and exactly where to stick it when they get there, I'd be banned from this site.

Exactly my point, they clearly are not right at all - inherently biologically wrong with them

It's okay if we have different opinions, I don't mind!

Del Babu {Police} says :

"We're actually looking at what we do with children at school age and make sure that young boys are taught at a very young age the importance of respect and the working collaboratively with young women," he said.
"We need to make sure that domestic violence lessons are taught in schools, so people understand what an acceptable relationship is and how it's never acceptable to have an abusive relationship, whether it's coercive control or physical violence."

You'd say that to the man grieving for his wife and 2 daughters? Not sure what his benefit is, maybe you could explain.

I hope he and the surviving daughter will find some comfort from each other as they must be going through hell.

But surely we are all bringing up our sons to be decent men who respect women so why are there still such misogynistic men going around and surely not every journalist witting this stuff is a man?

No - you think it's proven that DNA was the issue. I don't think that's proven at all.

They shared DNA.
They also shared an upbringing.

Either, neither, or both of those factors might be at the root of their behaviour. The fact that they are brothers doesn't automatically prove that there was something biologically wrong with them.

No - you think it's proven that DNA was the issue. I don't think that's proven at all.

They shared DNA.
They also shared an upbringing.

Either, neither, or both of those factors might be at the root of their behaviour. The fact that they are brothers doesn't automatically prove that there was something biologically wrong with them.

There are some women on MN who are so rabidly anti men that one wonders what they would do if they were to have a son to bring up.

Would he be berated, despised, put down at every opportunity?

Del Babu from the police today said this {about this issue}

"We're actually looking at what we do with children at school age and make sure that young boys are taught at a very young age the importance of respect and the working collaboratively with young women," he said.
"We need to make sure that domestic violence lessons are taught in schools, so people understand what an acceptable relationship is and how it's never acceptable to have an abusive relationship, whether it's coercive control or physical violence."
^^

Suicide by cop. Probably too cowardly to off himself 😡

Indeed.

I'm male. I don't generally announce that as it is usually irrelevant but in this case I think it is a little bit. From a young age, I was exposed to a lot of misogynistic views that were being propagated by boys of my own age. I assume many of those views were being handed down by older brothers, cousins, uncles & fathers etc. They risked feeding into a narrative that ultimately creates a very strong link between the male ego and sexual "success" with girls/women, alongside a warped sense of entitlement. I think that is part of the root of the problem, but of course it's far more complex than that.

I was fortunate to grow up with a very strong take-no-shit mother, two older sisters and a dad who I doubt ever raised his fists to anyone in his life and never raised his voice to my mother. So maybe my mother and sisters negated much of the toxic views I was being exposed to outside the home, but that doesn't mean it was their problem to solve in the first place, or any other mother's for that matter. It's a problem for society as a whole to address but as it's a problem being caused by men, we (men) have to hold ourselves ultimately accountable. Sadly, I see no sign of that happening any time soon, if anything we seem to be going backwards.

Angry to the point of actually thinking we should have selective breeding. Yet another violent murdering man destroying so many lives.

Clearly a lot more men than women are awful. But there is some overlap.

To those who are saying "not all men" when you heard the news did it even enter your mind for a split second that the perpetrator might be female?

Exactly
I work in retail and meet many people
Some are lovely,some utter cunts,most inbetween,some strange,some not

one bloke was charming,polite and a really nice guy
He was sent down a few weeks later for being a paedophile

Another guy was lovely,charming and polite-seemed a really lovely dad
He burnt the house down (with 4 of his 5 kids inside-he made sure he got out) a few days after

You just can't tell

Rest in peace ladies

And the Police Officers. So many people will be damaged by this, not in the same way as the three women who died but they will still have their struggles.

Except your not talking about the women, your talking about men. Just as people like you on this thread been criticising the media for doing.

Having dysfunctional beliefs about women e.g. They are your property under your control & should do as you say isn’t a mental health issue, it’s a belief system. An awful lot of men think this way. They aren’t all mentally ill though.

He's been caught it's now being reported. I hope the evil fucker gets what he deserves.

Overlap?

I think you have this back to front. The independent states that 93% of murders are by men.
The ONS says that in the year to March 23 twice as many men are murdered as women. Women are more likely to be killed by someone they know.

We don't know what happened to Jay Slater but if he was murdered it is almost certain that he has been killed by a man.

They got him. So rumours about him being shot dead were false. Good.

Being reported where?