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Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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BodenCardiganNot · 10/07/2024 13:20

Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

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Kinshipug · 11/07/2024 20:54

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:50

Multiple victims isn't even all that unusual. https://www.femicidecensus.org/reports/ The 2021 report on page 19 says that in 12% of the 2021 femicides, there was at least one other person killed and plenty more cases where another person was injured.

The only unusual thing about this event is the relationship of the victim's to a public-facing BBC employee.

And as many again were injured. Those are shocking statistics!

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:55

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Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:56

There is a lot of violence in society.
But how can we stop violence in society?

Currently if someone is violent, we put them in jail.

Jail sentences don't seem to be deterring people.

notathenabutcassandra · 11/07/2024 20:58

I wonder if anyone can point me to lobby groups who could add pressure regarding Starma’s mission to halve violence against women? Surely the mission should be to eradicate it? Where would one begin?

notathenabutcassandra · 11/07/2024 21:00

notathenabutcassandra · 11/07/2024 20:58

I wonder if anyone can point me to lobby groups who could add pressure regarding Starma’s mission to halve violence against women? Surely the mission should be to eradicate it? Where would one begin?

https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-an-mp-or-lord/lobbying-parliament/

I’m utterly clueless but are there existing groups we could add support to?

TakeOnFlea · 11/07/2024 21:01

"You proved my point nicely about female cruelty. Thank you :)"

Not cruel. Just honest. Unfortunately some people, often men, react extremely badly to honesty from a woman. Are you one of them Kellyanne?

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 21:03

TakeOnFlea · 11/07/2024 21:01

"You proved my point nicely about female cruelty. Thank you :)"

Not cruel. Just honest. Unfortunately some people, often men, react extremely badly to honesty from a woman. Are you one of them Kellyanne?

I'm not a man Takeonflea!

I'm not sure if it's supposed to be an insult.

If you want to take a look back through my posting history you'll find I've been consistently female on mumsnet.

Other than that what do you want as proof?

Are you a woman? Prove it there

notathenabutcassandra · 11/07/2024 21:03

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SerafinasGoose · 11/07/2024 21:03

Kinshipug · 11/07/2024 20:54

And as many again were injured. Those are shocking statistics!

The minimising is a familiar response. There is a parallel thread where a mother's serious concerns about inappropriate male behaviour has generated similar attitudes.

The result of this socialisation is that women very often question our own instincts and what we know to be wrong, before we question male behaviour. When you weigh up the equation between maliciously false allegations and inappropriate/unwanted male behaviour, we can tell this is completely arse-about-face.

I'm no exception. I kept a diary for six months about the bastard who sexually harrassed me in my workplace, ensuring I was absolutely certain before making such a serious allegation. The truth was, I'd known from the very first instance and it was only when someone else noticed something amiss that I broke down and fessed up.

I had been intending to report him, however, and I did. But I considered the effects on him, and how this would effect him, before I considered the actual effects on me. I was later furious with myself. At least I reported it, he was fired, and he'll never do it to anyone else. But it later transpired he'd been getting away with this for years, and it had always been rugswept.

I've paid the price amongst certain colleagues, though. The more comfortable, default position is still to believe that women lie, rather than men frequently abuse. I paid in another way too - he stalked me in my workplace for two years until I finally involved the police.

This is what women are up against, every day of our lives. It incenses me.

loobylou815 · 11/07/2024 21:04

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:41

Why is her opinion "nonsense".

Why can't people listen to varying opinions without attacking and tearing women down.

Because of the statistics surrounding men’s violence.

Opinions don’t override facts, and when a much needed conversation is required concerning the facts about male violence I don’t think someone should derail that purely because it’s not their experience.

notathenabutcassandra · 11/07/2024 21:04

SerafinasGoose · 11/07/2024 21:03

The minimising is a familiar response. There is a parallel thread where a mother's serious concerns about inappropriate male behaviour has generated similar attitudes.

The result of this socialisation is that women very often question our own instincts and what we know to be wrong, before we question male behaviour. When you weigh up the equation between maliciously false allegations and inappropriate/unwanted male behaviour, we can tell this is completely arse-about-face.

I'm no exception. I kept a diary for six months about the bastard who sexually harrassed me in my workplace, ensuring I was absolutely certain before making such a serious allegation. The truth was, I'd known from the very first instance and it was only when someone else noticed something amiss that I broke down and fessed up.

I had been intending to report him, however, and I did. But I considered the effects on him, and how this would effect him, before I considered the actual effects on me. I was later furious with myself. At least I reported it, he was fired, and he'll never do it to anyone else. But it later transpired he'd been getting away with this for years, and it had always been rugswept.

I've paid the price amongst certain colleagues, though. The more comfortable, default position is still to believe that women lie, rather than men frequently abuse. I paid in another way too - he stalked me in my workplace for two years until I finally involved the police.

This is what women are up against, every day of our lives. It incenses me.

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I’m so sorry you’ve experienced that. And thank you for standing up. Every time we do, it adds more light to the darkness.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 21:05

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Are you imagining things now?

When did you "get" me to shut up. I posted just a few moments ago.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 21:06

loobylou815 · 11/07/2024 21:04

Because of the statistics surrounding men’s violence.

Opinions don’t override facts, and when a much needed conversation is required concerning the facts about male violence I don’t think someone should derail that purely because it’s not their experience.

Every human being is entitled to their opinion.

Just because it differs to yours doesn't mean they shouldn't speak.

You will find listening to different opinions actually adds to a discussion.

Just having people saying the exact same thing and all agreeing doesn't happen anywhere in real life

RegimentalSturgeon · 11/07/2024 21:08

Possibly it bolsters the egos of the male officers working the case to suggest it is ‘unprecedented’

AutumnFroglets · 11/07/2024 21:12

Well yes, I suspect you are right. Or maybe (thinking charitably), it's unprecedented for that particular unit rather than the UK as a whole. In which case they need to get off their twitter account and get out into the fresh air more... where the rest of us live.

FgsMary · 11/07/2024 21:13

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:56

There is a lot of violence in society.
But how can we stop violence in society?

Currently if someone is violent, we put them in jail.

Jail sentences don't seem to be deterring people.

This is a thread specifically about men murdering women. Start a different thread if you want to discuss female crimes or violence generally in society.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 21:14

FgsMary · 11/07/2024 21:13

This is a thread specifically about men murdering women. Start a different thread if you want to discuss female crimes or violence generally in society.

No thanks.

loobylou815 · 11/07/2024 21:15

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 21:06

Every human being is entitled to their opinion.

Just because it differs to yours doesn't mean they shouldn't speak.

You will find listening to different opinions actually adds to a discussion.

Just having people saying the exact same thing and all agreeing doesn't happen anywhere in real life

Of course they are, and if they express those opinions in a public forum, then they also need to be open to hearing other people’s opinions, especially when others opinions are backed by facts. My opinion is that her NAMALT opinion is nonsense. Enjoy your evening.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 21:23

loobylou815 · 11/07/2024 21:15

Of course they are, and if they express those opinions in a public forum, then they also need to be open to hearing other people’s opinions, especially when others opinions are backed by facts. My opinion is that her NAMALT opinion is nonsense. Enjoy your evening.

Yes i hear your opinion.

I disagree that this murder: man murdering three women has a lot to do gender in general.

It has more to do with his upbringing and his personality.

Didn't this mans brother kill someone too? It said it on the news

notathenabutcassandra · 11/07/2024 21:26

I mean, I’d say you’ve poked the bear, but we all know we’d rather the bear…

AutumnFroglets · 11/07/2024 21:28

notathenabutcassandra · 11/07/2024 21:26

I mean, I’d say you’ve poked the bear, but we all know we’d rather the bear…

I'm having a slow day so it took me a minute.

Grin
OhshutupTrevor · 11/07/2024 21:37

Please stop feeding the troll it makes it much angrier.

There are such valuable and necessary discussions going on here lets not lower ourselves to squabbles with trolls.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 21:41

OhshutupTrevor · 11/07/2024 21:37

Please stop feeding the troll it makes it much angrier.

There are such valuable and necessary discussions going on here lets not lower ourselves to squabbles with trolls.

"Don't feed the troll"

Such an intellectual comment!

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