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Sex offender granted asylum?

242 replies

cordeliachaseatemyhandbag · 02/02/2024 08:16

Given the other thread was deleted I'm assuming we aren't allowed to talk about the ongoing criminal incident/investigation.

However it's the top story on the bbc news that a convicted sex offender was granted asylum then has gone on to seemingly commit another violent offence.

Surely there should be a blanket ban on convicted sex offenders being granted asylum?

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CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 02/02/2024 16:31

Just goes to show, men can basically get away with anything.

Tracker1234 · 02/02/2024 16:35

International law shouldnt t allow the small boats but if the Tories are out at next GE there is NO WAY Labour will be able to do anything else. The lefties in Labour Party will potentially make it much worse. We approve what 70% of applications. Other European countries much much less. Just why, with no paperwork, no proof nothing. We are seen as a massive soft touch and we always seem to give people the benefit of the doubt (again and again).

Norahsbooks · 02/02/2024 16:39

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IClaudine · 02/02/2024 16:46

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There is no way he has left the country. He has burns on his face, bit of a giveaway at passport control.

lostonmars · 02/02/2024 16:46

NoCloudsAllowed · 02/02/2024 09:00

Erm, I don't know how it works but if you're granted asylum because you'll be tortured, murdered etc if you go back to your home country, I'm not sure of the morality of refusing asylum on the basis of sexual offending, it would basically be a death sentence.

Better to grant asylum if there are grounds for that then punish sexual offending properly - this is the main problem in this country, asylum seekers and British nationals alike are not prosecuted, convicted an sentenced adequately.

Maybe he should've thought about that before he committed a sexual offence.

Norahsbooks · 02/02/2024 16:48

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lostonmars · 02/02/2024 16:51

Why on earth wasn't he deported after his claim was denied the first time? The government is at fault for this.

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 16:52

@IClaudine love the fact you think he'd escape via an airport and rock up at passport control

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 16:53

lostonmars · 02/02/2024 16:51

Why on earth wasn't he deported after his claim was denied the first time? The government is at fault for this.

Because the asylum system allows endless rounds of appeals and he would have had a legal aid lawyer fighting his corner. An utter disgrace.

Grilledsquid · 02/02/2024 16:54

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That's really not possible without massive amount of money. He ia not some oligarch

Norahsbooks · 02/02/2024 17:10

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IClaudine · 02/02/2024 17:16

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 16:52

@IClaudine love the fact you think he'd escape via an airport and rock up at passport control

How else is he going to get out of the country if not via air or sea? As a pp said he's hardly going to be able to leave via private jet or yacht.

Bululu · 02/02/2024 17:18

I wonder what is the evidence they found at the addresses in the investigation? Still at large. What a joke!

greengreengrass25 · 02/02/2024 17:26

makeanddo · 02/02/2024 14:54

There was an immigration lawyer in Jeremy Vine today. Evidently under International Law if the sentence is less than 12 months then the person cannot be deported and must be allowed to apply for asylum. The lawyer's stance was that their job is not to judge their clients just support their case. This is one reason why I could not be a lawyer.

She said it's the laws fault and it's up to the government to change it.

Unfortunately I think there are many like this man. They come from countries with very different beliefs and values to ours. They come here because we are soft and because of our easy legal system. They have little, if any, respect for our country, our laws and crucially women and children.

I think it's time for us to know what the process is for assessing an asylum seeker. How do they even start with no paperwork etc? These men are arriving here and lying to get access, if they were genuine they would give their info. I'm not afraid to say that I don't want these young men here however I fear the do gooders and very left leaning civil service have different plans. All we now hear is mental health and how we should treat them better whilst the country cannot even afford basic services for its own population.

So true

There is another thread about the NHS going on on mumsnet

Maireas · 02/02/2024 17:33

As usual, @lostonmars the rights of women and girls to safety come well below any man's rights and desires.

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User135644 · 02/02/2024 17:37

Country is so soft

blacksax · 02/02/2024 17:54

I don't think asylum should be granted to criminals full stop.

Especially not when they have committed those crimes after they have arrived in the country where they wish to claim asylum. I don't mean this to apply just to the UK either, but any country in which asylum seekers arrive.

They should be immediately expelled.

User135644 · 02/02/2024 18:24

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:31

@MCOut I'm not blaming immigrants for the state of affairs, I'm blaming politicians who are too weak to consider and discuss publicly the societal impacts of mass migration from countries which are very different to ours.

Migration from decades ago was different because people tended to come from former empire colonies and they saw GB as the 'motherland' and actively wanted to immigrate.

The demographic makeup today is very different.

I don't have an issue with an immigration system which is well planned and fair and helps to make the UK a better place for all. That's not remotely what we have at the moment.

When you keep importing the third world, these are the consequences. Europe has signed its own demise.

You can give anyone a chance but once they commit a crime they should not be granted license to stay here. End of story.

You can see why leaving the ECHR is gaining traction on the right. Human rights lawyers are morally bankrupt piss takers and will use any loophole to keep all manner of criminals and degenerates in this country, while raking in the cash for it.

I'm sick to death of human rights lawyers prioritising violent criminals and rapists at the expense of law abiding, innocent citizens. All of this is just a massive recruitment campaign for the hard right because the liberals//lefties/centrists/Tories refuse to listen.

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 18:27

@IClaudine well he got here in the first place on a lorry so I'm sure he's pretty resourceful

crew2022 · 02/02/2024 18:27

It's ridiculous that any offence does not require immediate deportation! What message are we sending out? In particular a sex offence and being on the sex offenders register. Who cares if you convert to a religion afterwards. Why should you be helped by the state? I mean I know being a sex offender doesn't ban you from the church but what the actual f@ck is going on in the country.

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 18:32

And to make a further mockery of the system, the civil service has today decided Turkey isn't safe enough to have a returns agreement.

Turkey. Where half the UK go on holiday every year. And which is a signatory to the ECHR.

It's almost as if our civil service and government don't want to solve the immigration problem...

User135644 · 02/02/2024 18:34

Bululu · 02/02/2024 13:23

I would like to know how Keir Starmer with a past as a Human Right lawyer propose to deal with this issue? London and other urban areas are mainly run by Labour already. Sadiq Khan is the London mayor. I look forward to see what they are asked in their electoral campaign about stopping crime and violence from individuals who should have been removed from this country.
For me it has become the most pressing issue on how I would vote in the next elections.

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The public are sick to death of human rights lawyers, raking in cash by keeping violent criminals, rapists and other scum from justice. Tories will be using Starmer's past as one of these lawyers as a line of attack in election year.

User135644 · 02/02/2024 18:38

makeanddo · 02/02/2024 14:54

There was an immigration lawyer in Jeremy Vine today. Evidently under International Law if the sentence is less than 12 months then the person cannot be deported and must be allowed to apply for asylum. The lawyer's stance was that their job is not to judge their clients just support their case. This is one reason why I could not be a lawyer.

She said it's the laws fault and it's up to the government to change it.

Unfortunately I think there are many like this man. They come from countries with very different beliefs and values to ours. They come here because we are soft and because of our easy legal system. They have little, if any, respect for our country, our laws and crucially women and children.

I think it's time for us to know what the process is for assessing an asylum seeker. How do they even start with no paperwork etc? These men are arriving here and lying to get access, if they were genuine they would give their info. I'm not afraid to say that I don't want these young men here however I fear the do gooders and very left leaning civil service have different plans. All we now hear is mental health and how we should treat them better whilst the country cannot even afford basic services for its own population.

The civil service don't set the law and the rules. The government do.

User135644 · 02/02/2024 18:42

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 02/02/2024 16:31

Just goes to show, men can basically get away with anything.

Men are convicted far more for the same crime than women are, as an average, and for longer.

This isn't a gender issue, it's the county and it's soft as fuck mentality, weak laws and the hold human rights lawyers have over the asylum and immigration system.