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Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Noangelbuthavingfun · 22/02/2023 10:21

Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

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JaffaCake70 · 22/02/2023 11:20

I think the right decision has been made. I switched off the interview with her on the tv because she seemed so arrogant and unapologetic about what she had done. Maybe she was a child when she was groomed etc, she is now an adult capable of showing remorse.. she hasn't, therefore deserves zero forgiveness or sympathy.

GordonShakespearedoesChristmas · 22/02/2023 11:20

FoxFeatures · 22/02/2023 10:29

She was 15 and groomed. She was a child.

Whilst I deplore her actions as strongly as everyone else, I can't separate her legal status as a child, from her actions.

Yes there needs to be a legal case for her to answer, but it needs to be done here. Removing someone's citizenship is the thin end of the wedge.

You have put what I wanted to say but much more eloquently. Thank you!

Onnabugeisha · 22/02/2023 11:21

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 22/02/2023 11:19

Look at the case of 19yo Harry Dunn. Hit & killed by a US woman driving on the wrong side of the road while innocently stopped at a red light on his motorcycle. She fled the U.K. to the US and tried to claim diplomatic immunity. We fought tooth and nail to bring her back to the U.K. to face justice here because she committed her crime here.

We wouldn’t care if the also US took her passport/citizenship that’s a completely separate issue.

You know that the US is not going to strip that woman of her citizenship.
Try and keep your posts relevant.

They are relevant and that was a relevant example of how foreign criminals ARE pursued and brought here to face justice. That the U.K. actually doesn’t like it when a foreigner kills someone here and then sods off.

Coffeepot72 · 22/02/2023 11:21

Shamima Begum committed treason, she should never be allowed back in the UK

Onnabugeisha · 22/02/2023 11:22

bizzywiththefizzy · 22/02/2023 11:14

Lets not forget she knew she was going there to be an IS bride . To breed .

And yet she did so much more…

JPG21 · 22/02/2023 11:22

To show remorse where she is would be a death sentence. She was a child who was groomed. She watched her 3 babies die, yes she'll be very fucked up and has been punished enough and in the cruelest of ways. This verdict is a fucking disgrace, every adult in this girls life has let her down.

Choconut · 22/02/2023 11:23

As a child if she'd realised her mistake and wanted to come back then I think we should have gone all out to get her if it was at all possible. But as an adult it was clear she still bought whole heartedly into ISIS and so I think this was the right decision, even if every now and then she tries to pretend she's changed.

Butterflyhelp · 22/02/2023 11:23

We'd all be happy if Harry Dunn's killer was stripped of her US citizenship and became the UK taxpayer's responsibility forever? Really?

VixenTodd · 22/02/2023 11:23

I reckon Kier will let her back in when he becomes PM. However, she definitely deserves a few solid years of punishment even after she comes back.

sjxoxo · 22/02/2023 11:23

FoxFeatures · 22/02/2023 10:29

She was 15 and groomed. She was a child.

Whilst I deplore her actions as strongly as everyone else, I can't separate her legal status as a child, from her actions.

Yes there needs to be a legal case for her to answer, but it needs to be done here. Removing someone's citizenship is the thin end of the wedge.

This.

I think she’s been hung out to dry for a choice she made at 15; as a child and I find it frightening how cold some of these responses are. Her race and womanhood have a lot to answer for IMO.

I actually think the UK has failed her and I don’t agree with revoking her citizenship. I think we should deal with her here, in a way that forces accountability yet doesn’t abandon a British national.

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 22/02/2023 11:23

Onnabugeisha · 22/02/2023 11:21

They are relevant and that was a relevant example of how foreign criminals ARE pursued and brought here to face justice. That the U.K. actually doesn’t like it when a foreigner kills someone here and then sods off.

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And if that woman had served a custodial sentence in the UK she would have then headed back to the Unites States...

ChilliBandit · 22/02/2023 11:23

Coffeepot72 · 22/02/2023 11:21

Shamima Begum committed treason, she should never be allowed back in the UK

Treason against who? The UK? If so she should be tried for that, in the UK!

WhamBamEatYourSpam · 22/02/2023 11:24

Would she really want to return to a country where her safety would be at risk?! I have no idea how she'd be able to just "fit" back into the UK.

Butterflyhelp · 22/02/2023 11:26

Coffeepot72 · 22/02/2023 11:21

Shamima Begum committed treason, she should never be allowed back in the UK

You can't commit treason if you're not a citizen....

EmmaGrundyForPM · 22/02/2023 11:26

She was a child, as was Rhianan Rudd. However, RR's case has been seen as tragic as she was groomed at the age of 15, as was SB. However, one was white and the other isn't. I think racism plays a part here.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63736944.amp

ShakinSteven · 22/02/2023 11:27

I think it's a very bad decision. We raised her, she's our problem. We had much more sympathy with the white 15 year old groomed into extremism in the news recently. Funny that. And how do we justify sending criminals back to their home countries when we won't take our criminals back.

It's shameful.

DigitalTranny · 22/02/2023 11:27

I have no idea why she wants to come back to a country where she would face a tidal wave of hatred and possible death threats. She would be a pariah in Britain, people on every corner waiting to lynch her. Her life would be impossible here.
She should take refuge in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan etc..where she would be welcomed with open arms.

ChilliBandit · 22/02/2023 11:27

I think some people need to look beyond this specific case. The governments actions here have far reaching consquences beyond Begum and her circumstances. There is nothing in the legislation that confines this to non-white Muslims who join Islamic fundamentalism. You might not all be as safe you think.

LuluBlakey1 · 22/02/2023 11:27

Absolutely the right decision.

lemmein · 22/02/2023 11:28

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 22/02/2023 10:52

I think it’s wrong. She grew up here. She was radicalised here. She was allowed to get on a plane here.

She’s ours and we shouldn’t be palming her off on other countries.

It’s quite shameful and I can just imagine the outrage if Bangladesh tried to foist off someone on the UK if roles were reversed.

This!

PeekAtYou · 22/02/2023 11:28

I am surprised by the decision considering how much positive press she'd been getting recently. Since it wouldn't be possible to try her fairly, I'm not convinced that keeping her in a UK prison is the answer either.

NImumconfused · 22/02/2023 11:28

Oioicaptain · 22/02/2023 10:45

@ChangedmynameagainforChristmas

I agree. She doesn't seem switched on. But I wonder how much of that is due to trauma. She had to give birth three times at a young age in basic circumstances and lost each child. She has no family with her etc and has been kept in a detention centre for four years. To me she may well be traumatized.

I also wonder about this. A few years ago I probably would have just said the lack of apparent remorse or empathy meant she couldn't be turned round, but since then I have experienced my own daughter having severe mental health problems, and she can sometimes come across in a similar very blank way - it doesn't mean she doesn't feel anything, but she can't feel safe enough to express it, so she deflects and says things that other people perceive as quite cruel.

kirinm · 22/02/2023 11:28

bizzywiththefizzy · 22/02/2023 10:29

It will be interesting to see where she goes with this now as the only country she is entitled to reside is Bangladesh , which apparently has the death penalty for her crimes .No I don't think she has any regrets .

She isn't entitled to reside there. They haven't granted her citizenship and they deny she's entitled to it.

Our government decided that without asking them.

ChilliBandit · 22/02/2023 11:28

@DigitalTranny - I get the impression that she just isn’t all that bright.

DumpedinKilburn · 22/02/2023 11:29

bizzywiththefizzy · 22/02/2023 10:29

It will be interesting to see where she goes with this now as the only country she is entitled to reside is Bangladesh , which apparently has the death penalty for her crimes .No I don't think she has any regrets .

I think Bangladesh were quick out of the blocks to say they didn't want her.
I don't blame them.