Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

I haven't seen anyone on here suggesting she just gets a free pass to a normal life (college, benefits, complete freedom to do what she wants etc etc) back in the UK with no repercussions. People are saying we should deal with her in the UK because she's a citizen. Nobody is being a 'do gooder'.

I personally think that she was groomed initially but at this point I think she is potentially very dangerous so needs to be dealt with accordingly. By the UK, the country of her birth.

@Flegm It was said back in 2019 that if she went to Bangladesh she could be hanged for terrorism.

She's been born and brought up in the UK so she's our problem really

Well, corporal punishment would only be equivalent to the type I'd deaths she caused or witnessed. She's dangerous and I don't think any taxpayers or country want to pay for her to live in a relative lap of luxury.

Yes, this. And as was pointed out on a podcast I listened to this morning, the optics of this woman stuck in Syria because the UK has revoked her citizenship can be used to stoke up more bad feeling against the west. It's shitty foreign policy not to take responsibility and try to palm her off on another poorer country. If Syria want to try her for war crimes, let them. (Does anyone know if that's their intention? She seems to have been sitting in this camp for several years, so it's clearly not happening fast.) Then let her back and deal with the situation like a responsible country.

She left the UK to go join a war against us, one that despises the very people we are as a 'western culture'. She said the people who died in the manchester bombing was justified in her own opinion.

Now she wants to be able to come back to the very country she hates so much. She hates every single one of you, unless you share her beliefs. If she came back and an attack happened (even if she had no hand in it) she would not care, she will be celebrating it., another bunch of 'infidels' as the call us dead.

When she hates our way of life so much why does she want to come back.

No it's not our problem. She committed crimes in Syria as an adult. She can remain there and face justice. Foreigners committing crimes here done return to their country of origin for trial.

As for being 15 at the outset ... if 10 year old boys can commit murder knowing it's wrong then a15 year old is culpable.

UK laws justify the removal of her citizenship, this is what the appeal was.

But clearly it’s not the end of her or 35 others like hers saga.
SB might be the best known but there are more, 60 women and children as per my google search.
one was repatriated in October.

Not exactly a surprise that she lacks judgement and insight. Trauma and poor mental health negatively impact cognition.

The way she has been treated doesn’t sit right with me. She was a British citizen and a child when she was groomed by ISIS. She is our problem to deal with appropriately.

When she hates our way of life so much why does she want to come back

Maybe because she believes she'd get an easier ride here than in some countries - a view which too many posts would seem to justify?

Let's face it, the cries about trauma, low IQ, neurodiversity, grooming, racism and all the rest wouldn't let up if she returned; the next "cause" would be to keep her out of jail on the basis of all the above, and to hell with the vast majority whose safety she might easily threaten

Yep this. ^

And after the documentary on the TV, I loathe her even more. Entitled, no remorse, obnoxious, and NO contrition or apology. She must NEVER come back. She is NOT our problem.

I thought I would be more sympathetic after watching but felt the opposite. I feel sad for her but I didn't get the feeling that she actually believed what she was saying about regretting going etc.

@coolmum123 I thought I would not be sympathetic at all before I watched it. I was surprised actually. But she did not seem that much different to a lot of clueless girls I grew up with in London in terms of her general cluelessness. I am not excusing her behaviour at all, she needs to be held to account.

@Delatron - I dont have a lot of confidence that our government would not make her a scapegoat to make themselves look tough and in charge. Of course I don't know what I don't know. What I do know is that I dont find the government very trustworthy so am not sure I trust them in this either.

Sorry, lot of cluelessnesses there - I mean a narrow focus, narcissistic view, lack of interest in anything except themselves, and an indifference to anyone else.

@WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps whose problem is she then?

@Atethehalloweenchocs Yes I don’t normally trust the government and I struggled a bit as I was writing that. But if the case is presented to a court of law then there must be evidence we don’t know about. I do think we have good MI5 and good national security. So it’s that I trust rather than the government per se. Though I’m aware it’s complicated and can become political.

I think the bottom line for me is that we don’t have all the facts about her. And the powers that decide do.

Not the UK's. HTH.

She was a child who was radicalised and groomed. I think it’s a disgrace that she was stripped of citizenship.

if she’s dangerous and has committed crimes she should be brought back and those issues dealt with

@WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps no it doesn't because it isn't an answer. Is she Syria's problem? On what basis do you think that's fair? Is she Bangladesh's problem even though she doesn't have citizenship? No she isn't.

HTH.

WHATEVER she has done, whether she has remorse, whether she's a psychopath all of the is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. She should be treated in the way any other British citizen is.

If there are mechanisms for bringing British citizens to trial for what they have done overseas, then use them.

If there are mechanisms for assessing and managing any risk to the public, then use them.

The fact that she may or may not have had eligibility for another citizenship - never taken up by her, or by her parents on her behalf as a child - should not be used to make a second-class tier of British citizenship.

As a PP has pointed out, Israel offers Israeli citizenship to anyone Jewish. So anyone who is British and Jewish has access to another citizenship. Presumably that gives the government the right to strip them of citizenship in the same way, no matter whether they have any connection to Israel, no matter how many generations their family has been British citizens.

Anyone with Irish parents or grandparents? They have the right to Irish citizenship.

As was pointed out on a podcast I listened to this morning, the optics of this woman stuck in Syria because the UK has revoked her citizenship can be used to stoke up more bad feeling against the west

Though I don't know who featured in the podcast this is a popular trope among enablers, amounting to "don't offend them or we'll be attacked", but what they often don't want to accept is that "offence" isn't always necessary; with too many the hatred comes first and the search for justification follows

The reasons for that hatred can be complex and don't necessarily have to involve anything "done to" the individual; it can be realisation of their own inadequacy, resentment of the expectations of their peers or any number of other things, but it's a point worth remembering in the rush to blame everything on "the west"

Foreigners committing crimes in the UK don't return to their country of origin for trial

No, but they can be deported back to their country of origin after serving their sentence.

the optics of this woman stuck in Syria because the UK has revoked her citizenship can be used to stoke up more bad feeling against the west

🤣🤣🤣 It’s a grain of sand on the scales of hatred for the west. I think you’ll find that missiles that have wiped out entire families in Afghanistan & Iraq have locked in the hatred for the west. In the list of atrocities on the blood sheet of the west, stripping citizenship from its own citizens isn’t even registering.

They didn’t ask you whose problem she wasn’t. So no, your answer is not helpful.

Surely the answer to "whose problem is she?" is "her own"?

As PPs have pointed out, the issue of her citizenship being removed/allowing her back has been fully tested several times now and it appears nothing illegal's been done, so it's not as if she's been denied due process - she's just been told she's not getting something she wants

Who is actually paying for her? Who is clothing and feeding her? The Syrians? Why would they do that when she arrived in their country to support a terrorist organisation that was destroying ordinary people? She should at least be put to work doing something useful. Helping clear rubble or working on a building site . Cleaning litter, working in a laundry. At least she’d earn her keep. She might start to understand the misery and devastation she and her cronies have caused.

Why are people talking about Syria like it’s a conventional country who is even aware of Shamima Begum. Syria is basically a failed state. The country is still in the midst of a civil war and large parts of the country is not controlled by the government which is killing its own people. As far as I am aware Shamima is in a camp in the Kurdish controlled region which is not recognised by the Syrian government as autonomous and is fighting both ISIL and the Syrian government. The camp will rely on donations from aid agencies. Shamima is likely to live in the camp until she dies now. She may well have a job in the camp. She can’t just go around volunteering in Syria as someone ‘helpfully’ suggested.