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Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Noangelbuthavingfun · 22/02/2023 10:21

Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

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LuluBlakey1 · 22/02/2023 11:29

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WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 22/02/2023 11:29

Good. 100% the right decision. I know that she was groomed as a 15 year old, and radicalised. That's quite sad and could happen to any child. And anybody would deserve a second chance, and to be forgiven.

However, Begum has actually not shown a single second of remorse or contrition for her actions. She has said arrogantly over the last 3 or 4 years, 'I was groomed, it's not my fault. I'm entitled to come back to my country. The UK is MY country!' She even said about the Prime Minister at the time, (Boris Johnson) 'he is being ridiculous and he is WRONG. Absolutely wrong. He needs to let me back into my country. I'm entitled to come back to MY my country

She's 24 years old this year, and she's a grown woman. And she should have got to the point at least 3 or 4 years ago where she was apologising, begging for forgiveness, and saying she's really, really sorry, and can she please, please come back to the UK... Her arrogant, obnoxious, aggressive attitude means she can do one, frankly. As has been said... SHE IS NOT SORRY!

She can never come back to this country as far as I'm concerned. She will never be welcome. And I hope they don't allow anymore ridiculous appeals. I am sick of the sight of her, and her whiny entitled voice, and her obnoxious snarky attitude... Also, I hope no TV channel/news programme ever features her again, and as I said, I hope there is no other appeal again - ever.

MichaelFabricantWig · 22/02/2023 11:29

I think she’s our problem and we should be dealing with her. It leaves a bad taste to dump her on another state, and just taking advantage of the fact she has dual nationality.

Catspyjamas17 · 22/02/2023 11:30

I think it's the wrong decision legally and just political. I hope she has grounds to take it to the ECHR and they absolutely embarrass this government with scathing criticism.

VixenTodd · 22/02/2023 11:30

They aren't desperate to get rid of her, are they? It keeps them in the news as well.

MichaelFabricantWig · 22/02/2023 11:30

Rocket1982 · 22/02/2023 10:38

IMO it's the wrong decision but the reason has nothing to do with Shamina Begum or her individual case. The reason it is a wrong decision is that the UK have made one of their own citizens a stateless refugee and have made her somebody else's problem. She was born, brought up and radicalised in the UK and we need to take responsibility for our own citizens and not leave them for other countries (who are poorer and have less resources) to deal with. I actually think it is outrageous.

What I was trying to say but a lot better put than I did!

SpinningFloppa · 22/02/2023 11:30

DigitalTranny · 22/02/2023 11:27

I have no idea why she wants to come back to a country where she would face a tidal wave of hatred and possible death threats. She would be a pariah in Britain, people on every corner waiting to lynch her. Her life would be impossible here.
She should take refuge in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan etc..where she would be welcomed with open arms.

probably because she thinks the uk is a soft touch and going by a lot of these comments seems she is right!

Turkeyneck101 · 22/02/2023 11:30

If shecwas even remorseful I could feel some sympathy but she doesn't appear to be at all, so I am glad she has lost her appeal.

RedRosie · 22/02/2023 11:30

I'm not at all conflicted personally.

I feel taking away people's citizenship is wrong regardless of the circumstances. I don't think this should happen to anyone.

Whatever she's done she's a British citizen, born and brought up in the UK.

If she's a problem she's OUR problem. And we should bring her home and deal with it.

kirinm · 22/02/2023 11:30

Wrong decision in my opinion. She was born and raised here. Bangladesh haven't granted her citizenship and are highly unlikely to. It isn't an outright entitlement with no caveats.

She was a child and groomed. The grooming part seems to be majorly overlooked and instead say 15 was old enough to know better.

VixenTodd · 22/02/2023 11:31

She is not my problem, thanks.

Speakeasy22 · 22/02/2023 11:31

Right decision. Also don’t believe the grooming defence. Not every young person who commits a crime has been groomed.

tillytoodles1 · 22/02/2023 11:31

Good.

DumpedinKilburn · 22/02/2023 11:32

I think an important question to be asked is:

Would she have wanted to come back if ISIS had been victorious?

If the answer is no, and I think it would be, then tough shit. Stay put.

Cinecitta · 22/02/2023 11:32

kirinm · 22/02/2023 11:30

Wrong decision in my opinion. She was born and raised here. Bangladesh haven't granted her citizenship and are highly unlikely to. It isn't an outright entitlement with no caveats.

She was a child and groomed. The grooming part seems to be majorly overlooked and instead say 15 was old enough to know better.

When she plots a terrorist attack where your loved ones die…would you still be charitable with her? Wake up you softie!

Iwillbuymyselfflowers · 22/02/2023 11:33

Good.

The End.

MichaelFabricantWig · 22/02/2023 11:33

Cinecitta · 22/02/2023 11:32

When she plots a terrorist attack where your loved ones die…would you still be charitable with her? Wake up you softie!

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You can’t, or at least shouldn’t be able to, leave someone stateless

Highdaysandholidays1 · 22/02/2023 11:34

I don't have a lot of personal sympathy for her as an individual whatsoever.

I still think this is the wrong legal decision, just as I do when nasty murderers receive the incorrect sentence. It's not about how nice she is or whether she poses a threat, 1000's of British citizens sadly pose a threat, that's something we can deal with legally and to leave her effectively stateless is not the right thing to have done. I don't care about her, I do care about the precedent set in law by this that might then knock on to affect a far more deserving case.

Return2thebasic · 22/02/2023 11:34

I saw a video in those days with Sajid saying if we saw what he saw as the evidence for the decision of striping her nationality on the ground of national security, it would be no doubt we would reach the same conclusion. He genuinely was convinced based on whatever they had on her. It has to be something really serious.

Catspyjamas17 · 22/02/2023 11:34

What would the courts/Home Secretary decide if she she had British born parents? It's only children of immigrant parents (even when born in the UK themselves) who even give this option to the Home Secretary. It seems highly discriminatory.

Forfrigz · 22/02/2023 11:34

While I don't like her nor do I condone her actions, I think it would be a different outcome if she was white.

StalkedByASpider · 22/02/2023 11:34

I do think this is a really difficult case, and there are valid arguments on either side. I also wonder what information there is that hasn't been released publicly.

It's not about whether you have sympathy for Begum, but whether it's right that a child who was radicalised should be stripped of their residency as an adult. The radicalisation took place when she was a child, but comments made by her as an adult, even after she left ISIS suggest that she continues to present a threat and hasn't really changed her mind.

My gut instinct is to be pleased that she's not been allowed back because I think she's manipulative, dangerous and genuinely could still present a threat. But logically, I'm not entirely sure how right the decision was, bearing in mind she was radicalised as a child.

If a grown man had sex with a 15 yr old girl, we would call it statutory rape and most people would agree that the 15 yr old doesn't have capacity to give true consent. By that same token, even if Begum went willingly, at 15 yrs old she wouldn't have had capacity.

I don't like her at all. And I do think stripping residency sends out a strong message. I'm just conflicted about whether it's actually the right thing to do.

DumpedinKilburn · 22/02/2023 11:34

Better she is stateless than someone else lifeless.

lemmein · 22/02/2023 11:34

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 22/02/2023 11:03

it's also a message to first gen Brits: 'you're not fully British'.

This too.

I think it's shocking that they've made her stateless. It doesn't matter if people want her here, she was born here, radicalised here - she should return here and face charges if necessary.

I'm surprised people are ok with this tbh.

VixenTodd · 22/02/2023 11:34

She is an oddity. I have been to the area where she was raised many times. it is not a hotbed of radicalization. She went through several stages of concealment and decision making to end up in that position which doesn't point to brainwashing.

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