Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 8

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My phone is playing up. I wrote a FAQ and then it crashed and I lost it all.

I'm also dealing with a child on the spectrum who is bouncing off the walls this evening so I apologise for not being around much.

There have been various "reports" of what the dog was doing and where it was. The only thing that seems to be consistent is that the dog was dry.

I've read that it was near the bench, between the bench and the river, between the bench and the gate, agitated, distressed, calm.....
It's a small area, so if the dog was running or wandering around it might be interpretation of what that really was.

It feels like a case of miscommunication somewhere. But, as we've said all along, there's no reason the public should see the detail and correct statements that the police have got.

@Gramps52 could it be a possibility they would say this, so they don't have a whole village worried there's a dangerous person around with out any evidence of one as of yet (or publicly as of yet) and because it was next to a river, its not an outrageous assumption to make?

There is another exit route, the gate with the combination lock into the caravan park, presumably where the park owners entered the upper field.

It’s unlikely the gate would stop the dog as someone’s pointed out that the fence either side have large enough gaps for a dog that size to get through. If she had been taken to an exit or house, I would think the dog would follow her there (but could be wrong). It wouldn’t be so easy for it not to notice her exiting out of the park area or being taken to a building within the park area as it would to miss her suddenly falling in the water.

I have always been curious about why the dog didn't follow, if Nicola left along one of the paths. A PP suggested that the dog didn't notice her leave and then got confused so stayed where she was. I don't think that's likely if another person were involved, but I guess it depends on how close the dog tended to stay. If something happened at the bench while the dog was still playing in the field I guess Nicola could have left along one of the paths without the dog realising what had happened.

@Bluekerfuffle it could be possible Willow was off having a sniff somewhere else, while Nicola was distracted from her conference call for whatever reason. And didn't see her go.

@pigsinoodies there is just so much going around, I've tried to stay to the facts, but actually, I'm not sure what's fact or not anymore regarding the point in which willow was found and what happened after, and where

Yes, and note the lack of a Strava activity up there.

The red arrow points to the gate I believe.

A number of the routes showing in the heatmap will presumably be Nicola doing her daily walks.

Willow could not follow Nicola through there, supposed to be dog proof to protect the livestock.

This latest is interesting, hopefully I attach this properly.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/13/nicola-bulley-search-police-visit-caravan-site-cctv-blind-spot/

Unfortunatley that is just recycled news from yesterday. The police weren't searching, they were merely reassuring the park owners.

I see a lot of mention that SI Riley has suggested that Nicola may not have fallen in the water near the bench. Does anyone have a source for that?

Apologies, I hadn't seen it until now.

SI Riley never said it was near the bench.

Has she suggested she went in somewhere else in the river? Given that the phone and harness are the only evidence that she was near the river after about 8.55, then it seems strange to suggest that she could be in the water somewhere else. If the phone and harness weren't there, then would they still be focussed on the river I wonder?

It's difficult to see how she could fall into the water somewhere away from her mobile though.

This is what I am getting at. There's been a lot of talk suggesting SI Riley made some cryptic comment regarding Nicola being in the water, or not still being in the water. Is this just made up, or is there an actual source for her saying this? I

With some apology as these posts aren't about Nicola, but I was struck by similarities in their age and appearance and people often comment about how some cases garner so much public interest and publicity and others really don't. Usually it's explained away as a positive bias for white, attractive women.
This link describes the actions police have taken and their approach to gathering information from the public
www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/new-cctv-image-denise-jarvis-8123048

All the reports of Denise's disappearance seem now to be renewed appeals, but at the time I was struck how little personal information was given about her or her family, her occupation or living circumstances. A big contrast to Nicola, a mother with a partner, children, parents, a sister and a circle of friends. She was known as school, by work colleagues and local dog walkers.

Up to now though, both cases are at the same stage of being no wiser and it really must be hell for all concerned. Like the case of missing Ben Needham. I'd actually convinced myself that that'd been solved a few years back, but it seems that's not the case
www.itv.com/news/calendar/2022-07-24/mother-launches-fresh-appeal-31-years-after-sheffields-ben-needham-disappeared
The not knowing must absolutely destroy lives.

It's just the press conference last week as far as I can tell. It's difficult to tell whether she was being very careful or very clumsy with her words, or both.

Having skimmed through SI Riley's presser from a week ago, I have to say she comes across as pretty baffled as to what happened and they are just pursuing the river route because they haven't got anything else to go on. It's nearly 3 weeks now... Will the police expand or will they wind it all down?

That map is interesting.

I can also see that the track right on the riverside going downstream to the weir hugging the river bank is used - this is to the right hand side of the bench. I wonder if you can continue on and go under the bridge - which would then be another unseen exit.

@confounded234 I think if we listen to Paul, in his interview with Dan. To me, there must be a reason why he thinks out buildings should be searched and that he is 100 percent sure she's not in the river. We aren't all going mad thinking something else happened to her.

Even the speculation she fell in the river has it's doubts as regardless of what willow was or wasn't doing or the depth and current. Rightly so, someone said it seems odd she'd fall in somewhere away from her phone. Unless she wasn't at the bench, but then why was her phone?

I think it would be a dis-service to Nicola and her family and go with what I believe is the easy way out, that she fell in. Even if she did, until that is proven, and she is found unharmed but drowned then I think we need to keep all possibilities open.

I hope if anything ever happens to me or someone I know, that it's not near water if we actually didn't drown.

It doesn't seem so. There's no sign of a track on satellite images, there's a barbed wire fence into the field in the other side, and it doesn't look like there's much clearance between the river and the bridge support.

She was being very careful, forgive me but I have sent you a DM.

news.sky.com/story/nicola-bulley-police-told-to-adjust-messaging-in-search-for-missing-mum-to-stop-people-taking-things-into-own-hands-12810624