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ofwarren · 2023-02-12T18:39:21+00:00

Here's the new thread My phone is playing up. I wrote a FAQ and then it crashed and I lost it all. I'm also dealing with a child on the spectrum who is bouncing off the walls this evening so I apologise for not being around much.

VanGoghsDog · 14/02/2023 11:55

Oaktree55 · 14/02/2023 11:47

The river has a deep channel in the middle I believe even at low tide (I think) it’s c 3m. It’s perfectly plausible in my view she fell hit her head on the rocks PF keeps mentioning and in a disoriented state went towards the middle of the river by accident. Pure conjecture but baffled why PF keeps implying rocks make it unlikely an accident has occurred.

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Yes, but surely there would be disturbance on the river bed where the rocks are if that happened and I think that's why it was discounted, same as her wading in.

It's incredible to me that not even a snag of clothing, tissue from her pocket, footprint, broken branch she grabbed onto, drop of blood from a scrape as she slipped etc has been found. Not to mention the bloody car keys!

01R019 · 14/02/2023 11:55

@Oaktree55 OK, and then say at the very least 4 hours go by, before the police divers go into search.

Realistically how far would a body get?

Would items of clothing, such as wellies stay on?

And is it likely that no body would be found the same day? It doesn't look particularly fast flowing.

Feels so wrong speaking about a body, but I honestly don't know alot about rivers and you seem to know a little more than most.

Oaktree55 · 14/02/2023 11:57

liveforsummer · 14/02/2023 11:54

Pure conjecture but baffled why PF keeps implying rocks make it unlikely an accident has occurred.

Because he knows if that had happened then she'd have been found fairly promptly given how quickly divers with specialised equipment were on site

It was hours till divers arrived, 2 till normal police. Also and I won’t bore everybody by repeating again after this but her coats would have added buoyancy. I know it was low tide but I think he’s taking with a certainty he shouldn’t be.

Oaktree55 · 14/02/2023 12:01

01R019 · 14/02/2023 11:55

@Oaktree55 OK, and then say at the very least 4 hours go by, before the police divers go into search.

Realistically how far would a body get?

Would items of clothing, such as wellies stay on?

And is it likely that no body would be found the same day? It doesn't look particularly fast flowing.

Feels so wrong speaking about a body, but I honestly don't know alot about rivers and you seem to know a little more than most.

I have no expertise at all beyond people that have drowned near me and not been found for ages despite extensive searches. There’s the police comment re that 50 year old ish man missing in a canal at present saying normally bodies eventually surface and spotted by public rather than initial professional searches.

Twonewcats · 14/02/2023 12:01

VanGoghsDog · 14/02/2023 11:52

Even if he meant that, would you really think "bet they fell in the river" and then walk off?

It's all odd.

But it was only reported in the context of caravan park woman finding the dog and the man who came through the gate behind her saying it to her, it was her who said he said it. So really vague. And was to the press I think, not the police.

I can only hope the actual investigators have proper timings etc, as they certainly have not released a reliable timeframe.

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Yes that's what I mean, really. Regardless of the circumstances, it's such an odd/random conclusion to come to immediately

01R019 · 14/02/2023 12:05

@Oaktree55 I understand they also are assuming he went into the canal. Not that they know this for fact? If you're referring to man who's belongings were also found on a bench

01R019 · 14/02/2023 12:08

@Twonewcats agree with you, but sometimes people say things trying to be helpful, but not really thinking about what they're saying.

Twonewcats · 14/02/2023 12:08

Oaktree55 · 14/02/2023 11:57

It was hours till divers arrived, 2 till normal police. Also and I won’t bore everybody by repeating again after this but her coats would have added buoyancy. I know it was low tide but I think he’s taking with a certainty he shouldn’t be.

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There's disagreement as to whether it wpuld have added buoyancy or not. But if it added buoyancy, surely some of the many people would have seen her floating. Presumably if she drowned, then she'd have sunk to the bottom and the sonar would have shown signs of disturbance etc

ImprobablePuffin · 14/02/2023 12:10

@Goldpaw ah thank you and I know the feeling. I'm a carer too - two ASD kids on half term here right now, hence why I can't seem to string a coherent sentence together

01R019 · 14/02/2023 12:11

@ImprobablePuffin ❤

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:12

Re the phone and harness maybe she threw them up the incline from the water to enable her to get out and that's why at least the harness was found on the slope ?
I'm convinced she fell in the water and sustained an injury or suffered cold water shock. I think that seriously hampered her ability to get out of the water but the sticking point is the location of her body. People were on the scene so quickly and were surely looking for her, even PA got there within an hour or so. I'm certain her DP would really scrutinise the river area.

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:14

It's occurred to me whether the harness and phone were wet. Had the phone been submerged under water indicating it had been with her ?

liveforsummer · 14/02/2023 12:16

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:12

Re the phone and harness maybe she threw them up the incline from the water to enable her to get out and that's why at least the harness was found on the slope ?
I'm convinced she fell in the water and sustained an injury or suffered cold water shock. I think that seriously hampered her ability to get out of the water but the sticking point is the location of her body. People were on the scene so quickly and were surely looking for her, even PA got there within an hour or so. I'm certain her DP would really scrutinise the river area.

That sounds plausible in some ways however you'd expect some evidence of this on the bank if she was in there. She'd have presumably have been upright if that had been the case so unlikely to suffer the shock element as it looks less than waist deep there.

SoTedious · 14/02/2023 12:19

Is anyone able to say who the father-in-law journalist is? I can only find an operations person or a Radio Sheffield journalist that fit the name I saw on social media.

ImprobablePuffin · 14/02/2023 12:23

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:14

It's occurred to me whether the harness and phone were wet. Had the phone been submerged under water indicating it had been with her ?

There's nothing to suggest the phone was wet - it was found on the bench, had been logged on to a teams meeting. If it had been in the river I doubt it would be working at all.

Oaktree55 · 14/02/2023 12:29

Twonewcats · 14/02/2023 12:08

There's disagreement as to whether it wpuld have added buoyancy or not. But if it added buoyancy, surely some of the many people would have seen her floating. Presumably if she drowned, then she'd have sunk to the bottom and the sonar would have shown signs of disturbance etc

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Things can be floating just below surface and be pretty invisible especially in murky U.K. waters on grey winters days. The clothing wouldn’t act in a buoyant way like a life vest or jacket but might have been enough to propel along below surface. Again just my un expert thoughts based on what I see in river I walk by everyday.

placemats · 14/02/2023 12:42

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:12

Re the phone and harness maybe she threw them up the incline from the water to enable her to get out and that's why at least the harness was found on the slope ?
I'm convinced she fell in the water and sustained an injury or suffered cold water shock. I think that seriously hampered her ability to get out of the water but the sticking point is the location of her body. People were on the scene so quickly and were surely looking for her, even PA got there within an hour or so. I'm certain her DP would really scrutinise the river area.

There would have been obvious signs of a struggle along the bank. Plus in your next post you go on about cold water shock, thereby contradicting yourself.

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:47

@placemats bit snarky eh ?

placemats · 14/02/2023 12:48

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:47

@placemats bit snarky eh ?

How?

placemats · 14/02/2023 12:49

Plus people were on the scene quickly - what does that mean?

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:57

Suggesting I 'contradicted' myself. Like I'm not allowed to surmise different things.
Things occur to you that aren't necessarily logical. Why would there be a struggle ?
Ground was frozen hard. The incline is fairly steep, usually covered in vegetation. She may have slipped or tripped over a root. No evidence left. Who knows what
happened ? Might be difficult to accept but the most mundane accidents can lead to tragedy.

VanGoghsDog · 14/02/2023 12:57

Oaktree55 · 14/02/2023 12:29

Things can be floating just below surface and be pretty invisible especially in murky U.K. waters on grey winters days. The clothing wouldn’t act in a buoyant way like a life vest or jacket but might have been enough to propel along below surface. Again just my un expert thoughts based on what I see in river I walk by everyday.

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Sonar doesn't "see" things, they don't have to be visible. That's the point of it.

placemats · 14/02/2023 13:03

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:57

Suggesting I 'contradicted' myself. Like I'm not allowed to surmise different things.
Things occur to you that aren't necessarily logical. Why would there be a struggle ?
Ground was frozen hard. The incline is fairly steep, usually covered in vegetation. She may have slipped or tripped over a root. No evidence left. Who knows what
happened ? Might be difficult to accept but the most mundane accidents can lead to tragedy.

Ground was frozen hard. Now you're just making things up. In the North West at that time it wasn't as frosty as down south.

Peverellshire · 14/02/2023 13:14

Namecangeonce · 14/02/2023 12:12

Re the phone and harness maybe she threw them up the incline from the water to enable her to get out and that's why at least the harness was found on the slope ?
I'm convinced she fell in the water and sustained an injury or suffered cold water shock. I think that seriously hampered her ability to get out of the water but the sticking point is the location of her body. People were on the scene so quickly and were surely looking for her, even PA got there within an hour or so. I'm certain her DP would really scrutinise the river area.

There are incredibly shallow spots & it has narrow meanders, which would have significantly hampered her progress, it was repeatedly searched, THAT area…

Even police tacitly have agreed not in that spot, but we can’t discount the river: ‘that doesn’t mean she wasn’t ever in the water’…

ImprobablePuffin · 14/02/2023 13:16

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nicola-bulley-update-missing-lancashire-map-b2281672.html Mystery over missing Nicola Bulley’s car keys – latest

Not sure if this link will work but info re car keys