Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 6

[ofwarren]

These threads are to discuss the disappearance of Nicola Bulley from St Michael's on Wyre.

No speculation without evidence please.

Here are some frequently asked questions, with answers:

1.Where do Nicola and her husband work?

They both work from home which is why he was at home on the day she went missing.

2.Where was the dog harness found / the phone?

Dog harness was found near the river edge not the bench, phone was on on/near the bench.

1. Has the river been searched?

Yes by the police and volunteers from the Specialist Search team

1. Had the dog been in the water, and maybe Ms Bulley went in after her?

Willow appeared distressed but ‘bone dry’, according to the woman who found her. There was no sign of her having gone in the river.

1. Why would she leave her phone on the bench?

Nicola’s phone was found on the bench, still connected to a conference call. So whatever happened, there was no time to end the call or to alert others on the call.

1. Why was she on mute with no video for her business meeting?

This was not unusual, She used to go on work meeting calls with video off and microphone

1. Where was her partner while she was out walking their dog?

He was at home at the time.

1. What about this abandoned house?

Its not abandoned. Its owned by a lovely family who have lived in the village for generations and would do anything they can to help in the search for Nikki.
It has been searched, inside and outside, from top to bottom by the police. This has been clarified with the family themselves and also with the police.
They have never refused entry to the police or told them they need a warrant to search.

1. Did Nicola have a dog ball with her?

No she didn’t she used to but stopped taking a dog ball on walks.

10. Was she swept out to sea?

The police Seargent has said it’s now a possibility Nicola’s body could have drifted out to sea.

11. We’re CCTV cameras working in the area:

The CCTV camera which would have captured everything unfortunately wasn’t working. But the police are actively working to identify 700 motorists travelling in the Garstang Road area on the 27TH of January.

12. Are there any other paths she could have gone down?

Apart from the river, there are only three exits, two of which are covered by CCTV. On her way in, she was seen by several people. No one saw her leave.

They aren't going to say it directly but look at the comms. If they thought that, they'd be saying things like 'please can people keep an eye out for this vulnerable woman'.

The comms from the police are inconsistent with it, and they would know whether or not it was likely. You wouldn't bother with a teams call or texting your mate arranging to meet up knowing you'd be dead by then either.

Its beyond me why people want to say she's done that. Its much worse than it having been an accident

Its beyond me why people want to say she's done that. Its much worse than it having been an accident

No one wants to say she's done that. We are talking possible scenarios.

Something you appear not to be able to grasp.

I was wondering this. I've not seen any mention of fields being searched. I would guess they have though.

Not long as the weir is just round the corner from the bench, and not far from the path to the road. So, depending on how easy it was (undergrowth, fencing etc), a few minutes.

Tilly Ann's Facebook seems to have gone now.

I can't be any clearer than what I've already been. Getting bored of writing about it. Your points are irrational

How do you know Robin Williams was fine until the last minute? I’ve read he was upset and crying while working on “night in the museum” as he couldn’t remember his lines and was depressed about what was happening to him.

Why make scenarios up though when they're full of holes, seems like a waste of time

Sue there is no scenario in which you might be wrong is there?

I've never in any aspect of my life met anyone with such conviction as you have that you know the truth.

I should get a job in the police. In fact I'm amazed you don't have one already. I'd phone the chief officer and tell them that any suggestion of suicide or leaving of own volition are irrational .

They'll take you on in a heart beat.

i was responding to someone else. I don't know about Robin but the public perspective was that he smiled.

I have in mind the Dead Poets Society film.

Just tragic.

I'm ex police, but left the force 25 years ago after having kids.

I don't have conviction, I don't know whats happened. I'm ruling certain scenarios out based on what we know. As I said, I'd go with the river fall scenario as thats what the police have. The abduction one seems possible but the others you're pushing are very unlikely for reasons already discussed.

I know nothing about rivers but does anyone know would it be possible to net the weir — like a fishing drag net across it to catch anything travelling downstream ?

Thanks, I think she's sadly fallen in the water. She could of been sat on the bench listening to the teams call and heard the dog bark maybe in distress or if it had slipped down the side of an embankment and walked or ran down the side of the river in the direction of the weir, pulled the dog up to safety then fell in herself. The dog may not be inclined then to go down after her if it had just had a fright prior to her rescuing it and has just ran back along following her scent back to the bench where she'd been sat then back down towards the gate where her scent would of also been from entering the field.

Again though, a suicide is a big thing, its someone reaching the end of the line and thinking there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

You don't go from totally fine to there in a split second, its a process. A lot of people are ashamed of their depression or mental health issues so they'll act and give off the impression they're fine but they're not.

If someone isn't ok, there's always signs someone. Family often kick themselves after its happened that they didn't pick up on it, but its obvious in hindsight.

I'm ex police, but left the force 25 years ago after having kids

thank goodness for that.

I do hope with your years of expertise you've been on the blower to the chief constable and told him it can't possibly be suicide or abscondment.

I seem to recall on a previous thread you were fairly sure that abduction was the most likely scenario. Can you tell me why this is, when the police force on the ground appear to have ruled it out?

You don't go from totally fine to there in a split second, its a process. A lot of people are ashamed of their depression or mental health issues so they'll act and give off the impression they're fine but they're not.

Well yes . So how can you KNOW that in this case it's not suicide? When you don't know the individual or the circumstances?

How do you know it's not a planned abscondment suicide?

Dogs live in the moment. If she was taken back to the field to the dog this would just be “I’m going for a walk in the field”
If someone approached the dog in an aggressive manner, arm held up as if to strike the dog might run away or cower — doesn’t mean that’s happened before , just means the dog doesn’t like that behaviour.
If the dog was returned to the field and ran towards the river that could just be because it smells a person there, or hears a duck, or just wants to play or swim. I can’t think there’d be any meaningful way to interpret its behaviour after the event.

They haven't ruled it out, they've said there's no evidence she left the riverside area. Thats not the same thing.

I've consistently said they are the 2 most likely scenarios by some distance. She's unlikely to have fallen in right where they think though otherwise they'd have probably found her by now.

I've just come across the video from the programme this morning of the area and can see that theory I thought of doesn't work.i never realised the gate was so close to the bench. Its defo even more of a mystery now seeing that.

I've said the police would know this if that were the case having spoken to probably everyone she knows over the last 2 weeks and having had access to all her texts, emails and internet search history. Theirs and the family's comments aren't consistent with it either, thats why.

Add to the fact what we know about the location, the timing, what she did that day, its not what happened is it? You don't choose to drown yourself somewhere where you might not actually drown, you choose somewhere its a certainty like the sea. You don't act all normal ringing into a work call 10 mins before, a call where you're on mute so just listening in. You'd probably give off signs something was up when you drop your kids off and you know thats the last time you'll ever see them etc etc.

Its beyond me why you want to have that as plausible.

I've consistently said they are the 2 most likely scenarios by some distance

Well that's not consistent with the police officers on the ground who believe that there is one likely scenario.

As I said I hope you've shared your expertise .

I think your definition of impossible is different from that of most.

Add to the fact what we know about the location, the timing, what she did that day, its not what happened is it? You don't choose to drown yourself somewhere where you might not actually drown, you choose somewhere its a certainty like the sea. You don't act all normal ringing into a work call 10 mins before, a call where you're on mute so just listening in. You'd probably give off signs something was up when you drop your kids off and you know thats the last time you'll ever see them etc etc.

Its beyond me why you want to have that as plausible.

That appears to be the Lancashire police working hypothesis, if she didn't enter the water by accident.

Ask them.

As an ex copper I should think they'll be grateful for your expert opinion.

One thing I'm not clear on, and apologies if it's already been mentioned, is where the person who found the phone/harness at 9.33am was before that time? Could it have been that the bench was in their view for quite a few minutes before they actually reached it? If that were the case then the time period between Nicola being at the bench at 9.20 (assuming she was) and then going missing is tiny.

Just read that the police are looking for a red van which was seen in the area at the time Nicola went missing

No it doesn't. Nowhere have they said she went in the river intentionally to kill herself. As I said, they'd know if it was likely having spoken to everyone around her and looked through all her comms. This is really getting ridiculous now.

They've tried to rule out third party foul play but it can't be ruled out because there are gaps in the CCTV, and they're going through dash cam footage