Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 6

[ofwarren]

These threads are to discuss the disappearance of Nicola Bulley from St Michael's on Wyre.

No speculation without evidence please.

Here are some frequently asked questions, with answers:

1.Where do Nicola and her husband work?

They both work from home which is why he was at home on the day she went missing.

2.Where was the dog harness found / the phone?

Dog harness was found near the river edge not the bench, phone was on on/near the bench.

1. Has the river been searched?

Yes by the police and volunteers from the Specialist Search team

1. Had the dog been in the water, and maybe Ms Bulley went in after her?

Willow appeared distressed but ‘bone dry’, according to the woman who found her. There was no sign of her having gone in the river.

1. Why would she leave her phone on the bench?

Nicola’s phone was found on the bench, still connected to a conference call. So whatever happened, there was no time to end the call or to alert others on the call.

1. Why was she on mute with no video for her business meeting?

This was not unusual, She used to go on work meeting calls with video off and microphone

1. Where was her partner while she was out walking their dog?

He was at home at the time.

1. What about this abandoned house?

Its not abandoned. Its owned by a lovely family who have lived in the village for generations and would do anything they can to help in the search for Nikki.
It has been searched, inside and outside, from top to bottom by the police. This has been clarified with the family themselves and also with the police.
They have never refused entry to the police or told them they need a warrant to search.

1. Did Nicola have a dog ball with her?

No she didn’t she used to but stopped taking a dog ball on walks.

10. Was she swept out to sea?

The police Seargent has said it’s now a possibility Nicola’s body could have drifted out to sea.

11. We’re CCTV cameras working in the area:

The CCTV camera which would have captured everything unfortunately wasn’t working. But the police are actively working to identify 700 motorists travelling in the Garstang Road area on the 27TH of January.

12. Are there any other paths she could have gone down?

Apart from the river, there are only three exits, two of which are covered by CCTV. On her way in, she was seen by several people. No one saw her leave.

I agree.

I don't think dog memory works in the same way as human memory (according to my son who is doing A Level Psychology).

On a basis level they have need that need to be met , such as being fed and they know places they run etc. But I think it's probably a stretch for a dog to distinguish between a good and a bad experience in a place if they mostly had good experiences in.

My Golden loves me but would also love my abductor. She would think it's a game.

Sorry if this has been asked, I haven't read all the chat..
But I was wondering if there are any police on here who have experience in this field who could give us their thoughts on this and their take on what they think has happened and how will it end?
Seems like we are 2 weeks on now and absolutely no more the wiser, her poor family.. x

They've tried to rule out third party foul play but it can't be ruled out because there are gaps in the CCTV, and they're going through dash cam footage

Yes and those gaps in the footage would equally have allowed her to abscond to commit suicide or just to abscond.

But you know best.

It's impossible.
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I haven’t seen the press conversation with the partner -.has there been a televised appeal (eg “Nikki, if you see this, please let us know you’re ok…”)?

People have been known to leave their old lives behind, they might convince themselves their children are better off without them, or even think how it would impact the person they are leaving, if they will have to have the children all the time. Nobody on here knows what their private lives were like - whatever might lead someone to take their own lives, it’s another set of issues to lead them to turn their backs on their family, but it’s not impossible.

She could have had a separate mobile with a PAYG sim. Did she use the abandoned phone for everything, eg Apple Pay and apps for household stuff? I never take a bag or purse out with me because absolutely everything is on my phone, and I use my coat pockets for keys, tissues, hand gel and poo bags. Are her passport and driving licence at home? The police will be exploring all those.

I hope so very much that she is alive and well, and her family will hear from her. The alternative is too awful. Poor poor girls.

No it doesn't. Nowhere have they said she went in the river intentionally to kill herself. As I said, they'd know if it was likely having spoken to everyone around her and looked through all her comms. This is really getting ridiculous now.

As far as I know they haven't ruled out her going into the river by any means.

Perhaps as an ex -cop you know better?

This!!

It's like the Prince Harry threads all over again if you ask me. The vitriol!

It's all part of "democracy "

The police haven't released anything about searching for the red van, it was apparently parked on hall lane which is the other side of the river and a woman has gone to the newspaper saying she reported it.

Someone earlier was asking about a cake shop, you could use hall lane for either the tea shop at myerscough or the farm shop at Barton Grange.

Just my view on PF's credibility as it was debated on previous thread with some saying about him having a book out, so essentially its a publicity stunt for book sales.

To me the fact he has a book out makes it all the more likely he wouldn't stick his neck out unless he did feel absolutely certain.

If Nicola is found in the river - that's PF's credibility taking a very very severe hit. It's not exactly going to make people buy his book.

With regards to the police divers - well we haven't actually heard from any of them directly. PF has always been very very quick to commend them as total experts. He speaks very highly of them. But we don't hear from them, we hear from SI Riley.....very possible the divers are grumbling away saying - she's not in this river, but their hierarchy is saying 'she must be, keep checking'.

I'm not saying that PF is correct but I believe that he is 100% believes he is correct. He's got so much to lose if he isn't.

If Nicola turns up tomorrow at the sea - SGI - is going to be a laughing stock. Would you take that risk and put your neck so firmly on the line, if you didn't think you were 100% right?

Apologies for my part in the vitriol.

It was in response to a suggestion that it is impossible for someone to deliberately abscond and go missing long time.

When I personally know a family that was profoundly affected by a mother who did just that and showed up many years later.

I'll wind my neck in.

I hope Nicola is found safely.

The amount of TikTok accounts using this for clout is ridiculous. It's not just the people searching the area, there are so many videos.

Sadly that's not true, whatsoever.

There can be absolutely no signs, and someone can take their own life without any 'build up'. You absolutely can go from seemingly being fine to deciding to end your life, in some cases. There can be a trigger.

It may be incomprehensible to you but that doesn't make it untrue.

I'm not saying I believe that's what has happened here as we don't have all the facts, but there's a lot of misinformation about suicide and it does need to be corrected.

Looking at the map, there also seems to be a lake quite close to where Nicola was last seen. I haven't heard this mentioned before

@Cassie4 yeah I’d feel if it was my family member that I’d totally trust what PF says. He does like the sound of his own voice but it’s a shame he’s had so much stick since he did all that for free. He said on the podcast I listened to that he’d only had 3 hours sleep during it. It was with his friend, Mark, the police guy who’s on this morning sometimes. Before he brought him on he did a big rant about everyone who’s been criticizing him and how he’s given all his time for free etc. I felt quite bad for him as I think it obviously has taken his toll when his friend was having to say it like that

It was mentioned that there’s a footbridge over the river a bit further up isn’t there?

The van could be nothing but the fact there have been vehicles nearby that she could have left in definitely makes an abduction seem very possible

If Nicola is found in the river - that's PF's credibility taking a very very severe hit. It's not exactly going to make people buy his book.

PF was clear in saying Nicola wasn't in the water but could be caught in undergrowth at the sides of the river where the sonar doesn't work - he did stress that these still need to be searched manually. That would also be true for the equipment the police divers use. A body could still move if the water conditions change. We've been told that police helicopters with thermal imaging were used when she first went missing and they should have detected a body as well and found nothing.

If you listen to the police carefully. At no stage, I don’t think, do they say accident. It’s she’s sadly in the river/went in the water type comments.

which leads me to believe they think she was suicidal. Whether she was or not, or if she was, that’s what actually happened, is a different story

I think a pp said the footbridge was only accessible from the Rowanwater caravan park. There's no public access from the field into the caravan park unless you know the gate code. That said, with the CCTV broken, I do hope the park has been well searched...

How is the specialist underwater team funded if they operate for free?

What is the van connection to this?

They don't operate for free usually. It's a commercial company that also does things like removing protesters etc.

Thank you @pigsinoodies

Does anyone else feel like even if this is ‘just’ a horrific and tragic accident, it’s turning into a how to guide for future serial rapists/killers.

I thought I was clued up, but even I’ve been shocked by the sheer power of social media which can seemingly easily be used to disrupt crime scenes and investigations!

Obviously they’d already know about security camera blind spots but…

A few well placed, odd and completely misdirecting ‘clues’ to lead the police one way, and the armchair detectives in another.

The fervour can be whipped up so high that you can even prompt those whose revenue depends on clicks to trample all over your crime scene, for selfies and tiktoks, with the added bonus of it also taking police man power away from the search.

You don’t need to wind your neck in.

You were providing factual evidence from your real life experience of a missing person situation - as have other posters who have sadly been in this tragic situation with family members.

Others have shared the objective facts about suicidal behaviour from professional experience and the facts - 275 people (5 every week in Eng & Wales) choose to end their life by drowning and the peak age for female suicide is 45-49.

One poster is clearly incapable of objective discussion and unable to absorb these facts as one of the possibilities in this case. That poster is highly problematic and it’s important that you and others continue to speak up and not be silenced by their irrational stuck thought patterns and inability to be open to all possibilities.

Don’t let these types dominate and derail productive discourse.