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ofwarren · 2023-02-08T20:38:30+00:00

A new thread about the disappearance of Nicola Bulley in St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire.

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 18:42

liveforsummer · 09/02/2023 18:40

FFS which experts? One media hungry guy with a book out he's trying to flog?

Book or no book he's done this job for years including in other high profile cases such as April Jones

Yes and he's a very experienced guy but watch and listen to his interviews, not once does he totally rule out what has likely happened here, not once! He is purposefully saying things to create a media frenzy, whilst at the same time not saying what has likely happened is impossibe.

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ofwarren · 09/02/2023 18:42

girlfromtheloch · 09/02/2023 18:41

Is there any way she could have been taken by boat? Someone who’d watched her and knew her timings, knew when she’d be at the bench and when they had a 10 minute window period without interruption for kidnapping her? I don’t know facts about the river enough and how much is covered by cctv but could someone have been waiting there for her in a small boat, called her over perhaps asking for help (which would explain why she left her phone on the bench to move quickly) and then took her? I presume this has already been considered and discounted but was just wondering.

Not at all
The river isn't suitable for boats. Even the rescue dinghy got stuck at one point.
A boat on the river would stick out like a sore thumb as there never, ever is one.

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Bluebellwood129 · 09/02/2023 18:44

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 18:24

It's not about your confidence it's about finding out what has happened. If the police keep important information to themselves then so be it. The family will cling to any hope they can of her being alive even if that means not accepting the obvious which is a natural reaction.

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The clock continues to tick with no results.....

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 09/02/2023 18:44

Maybe the dog put the phone on the bench...

Zosime · 09/02/2023 18:44

the way they are so vehemently closed off to any explanations other than accidental drowning.

If they are closed off to other explanations, why are they bothering to contact hundreds of motorists whose vehicles passed along the road nearby that morning? Why go to that trouble and expense if they don't think there might be some information to be gained from it?

GeneralistNotASpecialist · 09/02/2023 18:44

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 18:39

It makes me rather suspicious of his motives. Especially when he says most are always found which a quick google search will show you is an absolute lie! Perhaps he thinks feedling and educating his family etc is reason enought to bend the truth in this situation which may well be true but guys come on seriously?!? You think he's being 100% honest here?? Listen to his interviews his words are very carefully chosen to not totally exclude what has likely happened here!!!

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Then the Police can ask similar professionals in that field for their opinion on if her body would have reached the sea. The Police do not have in-house marine/underwater search experts, that's why for court cases they rely on expert witnesses.

Peter Faulding was giving his company's time and equipment for free, if he was charging and saying the opposite, that the search should be extended then his critics would be saying that's out of self-interest too.

SpecialOPs · 09/02/2023 18:47

@Oaktree55

You do realise that the timing of the underwater search specialist Peter Faulding's book being released and the disappearance of a woman believed by police to be in a river are totally unrelated don't you?

Thiscantreallybehappening · 09/02/2023 18:48

@Oaktree55
PF has extensive experience and works with various police forces. He has also worked on a lot of high profile cases over many, many years. A lot of the time he does this and doesn't charge. I don't think anyone can deny his experience and knowledge.

He hasn't written and published a book this week and in all the interviews I have seen, he hasn't mentioned it. The book would have been in production for months maybe years.

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 18:50

SpecialOPs · 09/02/2023 18:47

@Oaktree55

You do realise that the timing of the underwater search specialist Peter Faulding's book being released and the disappearance of a woman believed by police to be in a river are totally unrelated don't you?

Yes obviously but people latch on to opportunity! A quick seach for him brings up his book at every opportunity Pinned Tweet etc

Come on!!!

pigsinoodies · 09/02/2023 18:51

Qyk · 09/02/2023 18:40

@Oaktree55 and others on river and tide observations. Good points.

I live next to a river too. It is about the same size and depth as the Wyre is at this village. The differences in the rise and fall within any period, even 12-18 hours, can be quite staggering after earlier heavy rain. When it rises and falls has much to do with other precedent weather conditions. Sometimes the surrounding land, from the source upstream right to the basin, will be of just the right condition that it will soak all rainwater up like a sponge. Then it might release it quickly, or it might do so over a longer period of time. I have seen ours fill up within 6 hours, but sometimes it has taken 36 hours for heavier rain upstream to raise levels.

Even a local person, will not always be in tune with their river. Those skills are being eroded. A generic "its shallow and not fast flowing" is not evidence when you might spend just 10 seconds twice a day crossing the road bridge in a car, in the depth of winter. It might have looked low and have a calm flow several mornings in a row, but on this particular morning it might have been slightly higher, deeper and faster in the morning, but by afternoon much more subdued. The police will be onto the weather and will have info resources, but I am not convinced they have the funding necessary to confirm accurate river levels and water flow in the timescale of their reporting this week.

Nor do I think Peter Faulding had all the information on the water flows in that exact spot. His work looks technically brilliant, but it is not infallible. A lot of what he has otherwise said does make sense though.

People do not completely vanish. If they die at a spot, normally some trace is available. In my country, it was always blood that gave some closure. Even then ransoms could be paid and bodies returned.

People can remove themselves and leave no trace. Likewise, an organised individual can abduct another person and leave no trace. One of these is the likely outcome here. People can disappear with no trace if it is planned right.

but on this particular morning it might have been slightly higher, deeper and faster

It wasn't. There's a water level gauge at the weir which records the depth every 15 minutes.

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 18:52

Thiscantreallybehappening · 09/02/2023 18:48

@Oaktree55
PF has extensive experience and works with various police forces. He has also worked on a lot of high profile cases over many, many years. A lot of the time he does this and doesn't charge. I don't think anyone can deny his experience and knowledge.

He hasn't written and published a book this week and in all the interviews I have seen, he hasn't mentioned it. The book would have been in production for months maybe years.

Seriously???? I am not questioning his experience I am questioning why such an experienced person would down play the obvious etc etc

The only obvious answer is publicity.

pigsinoodies · 09/02/2023 18:55

GeneralistNotASpecialist · 09/02/2023 18:44

Then the Police can ask similar professionals in that field for their opinion on if her body would have reached the sea. The Police do not have in-house marine/underwater search experts, that's why for court cases they rely on expert witnesses.

Peter Faulding was giving his company's time and equipment for free, if he was charging and saying the opposite, that the search should be extended then his critics would be saying that's out of self-interest too.

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The Police do not have in-house marine/underwater search experts

Are the North West Police Underwater Search & Marine Unit amateurs in your opinion then?

GeneralistNotASpecialist · 09/02/2023 18:55

This might be a terrible idea but why can't the Police get a weighted mannequin or something similar in similar clothing, as close to Nicola's height and weight as possible, track it with underwater-enabled GPS and see where it ends up, if it is possible for it to reach anywhere near the sea as that seems to be the big question mark at the moment.

Magnoliasunrise · 09/02/2023 18:58

GeneralistNotASpecialist · 09/02/2023 18:55

This might be a terrible idea but why can't the Police get a weighted mannequin or something similar in similar clothing, as close to Nicola's height and weight as possible, track it with underwater-enabled GPS and see where it ends up, if it is possible for it to reach anywhere near the sea as that seems to be the big question mark at the moment.

I was thinking the same. Nothing to stop them doing it at several locations down the river as well.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 09/02/2023 18:59

@Oaktree55 your last post makes no sense. He hasn't downplayed anything, he's stated the facts.

I also noticed that you said in another post about NB being seen at the bench - she was never seen at the bench, last sighting of her was top field.

SapphosRock · 09/02/2023 19:00

I thought I saw Nicola Bulley at the weekend. A woman was in the Brighton M&S wearing dark sunglasses and I actually did a double take as NB's face was on the front of all the papers and this woman was the image of her. It was also odd she was wearing sunglasses inside the shop. She was with a man.

I know it's very unlikely it was her but part of me wondered if she'd staged her disappearance.

On the other hand I cant imagine a mum would leave her kids.

Walkinmeshoes · 09/02/2023 19:00

One question re the woman who discovered Willow.
She discovered the dog agitated.
Apparently an elderly man with a white fluffy dog was behind her coming through the gate. In fact the man noticed the phone on the floor by the bench and even made a suggestion that the dog was attracted to fishing bait on the river edge causing the owner to fall in (or making him agitated I guess ?). Surely the couple would have had a mooch around the area to see where the owner was and equally surely if Nicki's body was close by, having banged her head, fallen in and drowned or succumbed to the cold water she would have been seen...surely a body in a dark coat half submerged in relatively shallow water at the river edge would have been spotted ? I'm aware that there is a deep spot in the centre of the river across from the bench so maybe she floated in there ?

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:02

Thiscantreallybehappening · 09/02/2023 18:59

@Oaktree55 your last post makes no sense. He hasn't downplayed anything, he's stated the facts.

I also noticed that you said in another post about NB being seen at the bench - she was never seen at the bench, last sighting of her was top field.

He's blatantly lied that most drowining victims are found. They aren't!

Mirabai · 09/02/2023 19:02

GeneralistNotASpecialist · 09/02/2023 18:55

This might be a terrible idea but why can't the Police get a weighted mannequin or something similar in similar clothing, as close to Nicola's height and weight as possible, track it with underwater-enabled GPS and see where it ends up, if it is possible for it to reach anywhere near the sea as that seems to be the big question mark at the moment.

Because a mannequin of the same weight would float just as a human floats when they’re alive. What makes a drowned body sink is the water filling the lungs.

Mirabai · 09/02/2023 19:03

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:02

He's blatantly lied that most drowining victims are found. They aren't!

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He didn’t say most drowning victims are found.

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:04

Mirabai · 09/02/2023 19:03

He didn’t say most drowning victims are found.

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He did watch the interviews.

Unsure33 · 09/02/2023 19:05

I saw someone ask a question , with modern technology would the car keys have any kind of tracking / info on them ?

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:07

He's just blatantly lying for whatever reason. It might be unlikely but it certainly isn't impossible!!! Why is he selling this narrative guys unless it's to gain publicity. No professional would say impossible!

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Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 09/02/2023 19:10

Get over it. jeez

Thiscantreallybehappening · 09/02/2023 19:11

@Oaktree55 you jump on every post in quite an aggressive way and insist you are right and yet twice I have pointed out that you are incorrect to state that NB was last seen at the bench - she wasn't ever seen at the bench. NB was seen at various points but never at the bench. A few items were found there including possibly the dog but you can't even acknowledge that you are incorrect.

part of your earlier post:
" The bench she was last seen at had a warning sign of the danger!! Obviously keeping an open mind is wise, as is being done, but going off at random tangents especially when not privy to the information regarding the case is insane."