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ofwarren · 2023-02-08T20:38:30+00:00

A new thread about the disappearance of Nicola Bulley in St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire.

DerangedViper · 09/02/2023 19:11

Unsure33 · 09/02/2023 19:05

I saw someone ask a question , with modern technology would the car keys have any kind of tracking / info on them ?

Wasn't it reported that they have the kind of car that opens with an app, and that the keys were left in the car?

Can't remember where I saw that, so cannot be sure of its accuracy, but it does perhaps, suggest that car keys will not be a lead.

Also, unless air-tagged, I think the range is very short. And I'm not sure that either keys or airtags would work in water

Catstaps · 09/02/2023 19:14

I thought that would be an idea.

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:14

Thiscantreallybehappening · 09/02/2023 19:11

@Oaktree55 you jump on every post in quite an aggressive way and insist you are right and yet twice I have pointed out that you are incorrect to state that NB was last seen at the bench - she wasn't ever seen at the bench. NB was seen at various points but never at the bench. A few items were found there including possibly the dog but you can't even acknowledge that you are incorrect.

part of your earlier post:
" The bench she was last seen at had a warning sign of the danger!! Obviously keeping an open mind is wise, as is being done, but going off at random tangents especially when not privy to the information regarding the case is insane."

FFS Miss Marple I have no idea where she was last seen I was pointing out that the bench "which features heavily in the investigation" has a warning sign. I'm sat in my house with no particular insight into the case at all, along with everyone else commenting. I am merely trying to point out the flipping obvious which tally's with the police investigation (who hopefully do have concrete facts to work with)!

MeinKraft · 09/02/2023 19:15

SpecialOPs · 09/02/2023 18:47

@Oaktree55

You do realise that the timing of the underwater search specialist Peter Faulding's book being released and the disappearance of a woman believed by police to be in a river are totally unrelated don't you?

There will be people pointing the finger at Faulding next, no doubt.

pigsinoodies · 09/02/2023 19:18

MeinKraft · 09/02/2023 19:15

There will be people pointing the finger at Faulding next, no doubt.

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Well a bloke with the same name as his Operations Manager apparently posted on her FB, so you never know.

I'm not putting that forward as a serious suggestion but it's a huge coincidence.

SueG60 · 09/02/2023 19:18

Quveas · 09/02/2023 17:18

@SueG60 People have explained loads of times but it doesn't seem to go in for some people. You can't realistically live off grid with no help, no access to finances and when your face has been on BBC News for 3 weeks as well. If thats her plan, she'll be seen at some point out and about. People need to eat, can't get away from simple facts like that.

Please stop telling people they are thick because they don't agree with you. For the umpteenth time, it is bloody easy to live off the grid for years if you are motivated to do so. Just because you might not have the capability to do it doesn't mean others can't. I am not suggesting that is what happened, but it is your own intelligence that is lacking, not that of others, if you don't think it can be done. It absolutely can. And a good number of people do it every single day.

You obviously read too many crime thrillers. You aren't thinking this through logically at all. I'm a member of Mensa, score extremely highly on logical reasoning. You're just incorrect and not wanting to back down to save face.

There's hardly anyone living off grid in this country. The examples people keep giving are of homeless people and how thats possible but thats just not the same at all. People sleeping rough aren't being looked for by the rest of society, they just quietly go about their business in the background. They tend to live in major cities where they can beg for money, receive donations, access homeless shelters, maybe steal food from shops or even rob people or sell sexual favours. The bottom line is they need food, and to get food you need money or third party help, or to take it from somewhere. The reason these people can go missing (and why serial killers often target prostitutes) is because nobody is looking for them. People also don't choose to live like that, its through necessity when their life falls apart for some reason - she's got a home, a family and a decent job and its just totally infeasible.

Nicola is now well publicised and if she walked down a street, probably every other person would instantly recognise her right now. How would she get food? She'd never be able to work again, sign on for benefits, and if she slept rough in a city and lived as a homeless person she'd be spotted sooner or later. If there's third party involvement to help her do it and she's staying with somebody, its not just going to be an acquaintance is it, it would have to be someone she knew very well and who wouldn't say anything, close family or friends. And she's not going to be able to live another 40 years like that, the truth will out eventually.

Likewise the suicide theories. I get you can decide you've had enough at any point and we don't know her or her state of mind, but that doesn't mean you don't have to plan what you'd do to end it. You have to have a surefire way of doing it. Thats why people jump in front of trains, hang themselves, cut their wrists, jump off cliffs, take overdoses... its because it has a very high chance of working if you're not found or stopped before you do it. You don't go for a walk and then suddenly think 'oh my life sucks, think I should kill myself, hmmm how should I do it guess I'll just put my phone down here and jump in this shallow river and hope I manage to drown' and on top of that it just randomly happens that her body miraculously floats away much further defying experts' logic. I mean come on, just think things through.

I thought all of this stuff is so obvious but some people seem to think its a valid theory, to me thats just dense.

SoTedious · 09/02/2023 19:20

I'm not putting that forward as a serious suggestion but it's a huge coincidence.

Depends on the name - Percival Smootheley-Cunningham, yes. John Hughes, no.

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:20

Take away point. Probably a drowning, most likely accidental very small chance possibly purposeful. Very very small chance of abduction/ walking away to new life but chances extremely remote.

Be careful around water as it can be deceptive and dangerous particularly regarding pets/freak accidents.

Those are the sensible take aways from this case!!

Thiscantreallybehappening · 09/02/2023 19:21

@Oaktree55 it might be the "flipping obvious" but so far NB's body has not been discovered and neither has any sign of clothing to confirm that she has entered the water at that point. As the police divers were in the water the day she disappeared and were also using thermal imaging it does seem odd that as yet, no evidence of her in the water has been found.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 09/02/2023 19:21

So why were you telling me I don't understand rivers if you think exactly the same as me?

Goldpaw · 09/02/2023 19:22

Bluebellwood129 · 09/02/2023 18:10

@Oaktree55 The way I see it, he's not seeking publicity. He's thinking critically and challenging the main hypothesis being doggedly pursued by the police which so far has failed to yield results despite extensive use of resources. He offered the services of his team for free at the request of the family. Having had personal experience of a case where serious police errors led to devastating consequence, I support his approach.

Yes. The idea he's seeking publicity is nonsensical. The family asked him to come. He's an expert. He offered his services for free. He works extensively with police forces in the SE.

He's not some random bloke with equipment wanting to make his name.

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:22

Thiscantreallybehappening · 09/02/2023 19:21

@Oaktree55 it might be the "flipping obvious" but so far NB's body has not been discovered and neither has any sign of clothing to confirm that she has entered the water at that point. As the police divers were in the water the day she disappeared and were also using thermal imaging it does seem odd that as yet, no evidence of her in the water has been found.

Do a search for the number of missing people near waterways. The number is enourmous in UK.

puppacup · 09/02/2023 19:23

Tbf theres that aristocrat who despite publicity, a reward, potentially medical needs is supposed to be living off grid.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2023 19:24

I thought all of this stuff is so obvious but some people seem to think its a valid theory, to me thats just dense

To me it's dense to write it off as a theory.

They are all just theories.

People can and do up and leave.

I can guarantee the police will not have written off the possibility.

But for some reason you have. Odd.

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:24

Goldpaw · 09/02/2023 19:22

Yes. The idea he's seeking publicity is nonsensical. The family asked him to come. He's an expert. He offered his services for free. He works extensively with police forces in the SE.

He's not some random bloke with equipment wanting to make his name.

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Yet everywhere you look on line he's flogging his book released February 3rd 2023!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lifeturnsonadime · 09/02/2023 19:25

puppacup · 09/02/2023 19:23

Tbf theres that aristocrat who despite publicity, a reward, potentially medical needs is supposed to be living off grid.

stop being so dense.

It's not possible.

SueG60 says so.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 09/02/2023 19:26

Oaktree55 · 09/02/2023 19:24

Yet everywhere you look on line he's flogging his book released February 3rd 2023!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why wouldn't he be? It's a new book that's been published and was obviously in the pipeline for a while it just so happens to have coincided with this case. Get over it!

SoTedious · 09/02/2023 19:26

I'm a member of Mensa, score extremely highly on logical reasoning.

Perhaps you should apply that to investigating some of the issues around measuring IQ.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 09/02/2023 19:27

puppacup · 09/02/2023 19:23

Tbf theres that aristocrat who despite publicity, a reward, potentially medical needs is supposed to be living off grid.

They have been spotted numerous times in CCTV so they aren't are pretty close the the grid!

Tidsleytiddy · 09/02/2023 19:27

Bluebellwood129 · 09/02/2023 18:10

@Oaktree55 The way I see it, he's not seeking publicity. He's thinking critically and challenging the main hypothesis being doggedly pursued by the police which so far has failed to yield results despite extensive use of resources. He offered the services of his team for free at the request of the family. Having had personal experience of a case where serious police errors led to devastating consequence, I support his approach.

Me too

dawngreen · 09/02/2023 19:27

I saw on one video that they were cows in a field opposite the river with the bench on the left side. I wonder if her dog ran across to the field, and she entered to get her dog back. Maybe she got kicked and fell in there. Just a theory but these things happen.

Goldpaw · 09/02/2023 19:27

MeinKraft · 09/02/2023 19:15

There will be people pointing the finger at Faulding next, no doubt.

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These attacks on Peter Faulding are by far the most bonkers part of the debate around this case, and there's stiff competition!

GruffaIo · 09/02/2023 19:28

@Oaktree55 I assume you don't intend to come across this way, but you seem very fixated on Peter Faulding. It reminds me of when some turned against the volunteer British cave divers who helped rescue the boys trapped in Thailand. Your attitude will discourage experts coming forward in the future to volunteer valuable services. Please try and be a bit more measured.

tonyhawks23 · 09/02/2023 19:28

Goodness this thread is so angry!

lemmein · 09/02/2023 19:28

What I don't understand is the police seeming to rule out a third party so early on. I understand they said there's no footage showing Nicola left the river area, therefore they're hypothesising she is in the water, but why presume she went into the water herself, or by accident? How do they know a third party didn't put her in the water, if indeed she was ever in the river?

I've never heard police stick to one theory so rigidly in a case like this - we normally hear 'keeping an open mind' throughout investigations, and even though SR said that phrase in the most recent conference, every media announcement prior to that weighted heavily on no foul play. I don't understand that at all, and only hope that they do have information/evidence which leads them to believe somehow NB went into the water herself and we aren't witnessing the biggest police balls-up in recent history - and if they do have evidence/info they should be sharing it with her family, which I presume they haven't as the family don't seem to believe the water theory either.

2 weeks on and still sticking to their 'hypothesis' without any evidence at all seems bizarre.