Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 5

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A new thread about the disappearance of Nicola Bulley in St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10197002/nicola-bulley-diving-expert-video-proof-no-river-fall/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=scottishsuntwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1675960125

diving expert reveals video ‘proof’ she didn’t fall into the river where cops claim she vanished

eye witness statements are notoriously unreliable.

Ok it's just stuff like this that he has apparently said that make him lose all credibilty. What if she struck her head on the rocks or was unconscious and unable to grab on as a result. I would have thought the presence of rocks made it more likely there was an accident not less.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/nicola-bulley-missing-update-latest-b2279185.html

Nicola Bulley can’t have ‘vanished’ – this is what the police should do now
Former police officer and TV investigator Mark Williams-Thomas reveals the three most likely scenarios – and solutions – as the desperate race to find the missing mum-of-two continues

I could bump right into her tomorrow despite her face being all over the press I can say 99% I wouldn’t recognise her as a missing women any more than another busy shopping/school run mum if she was in my area. Her hair and outfits are that of a good 50% of women. I’ve never been one for paying attested to bone structure or anything. Like maybe if she had bi eyes or a very crooked nose but as her just a pretty women who looks like half the school mums I see everyday I wouldn’t even give her a second hmmm glance.

I agree.

I don't think he's lost credibility at all. Every search conducted by two experienced dive teams has proved negative yet SR continues to pursue a main hypothesis based on the belief that Nicola entered the water by the bench.

I’ve thought this too.
I actually didn’t notice how many mums at my children's school dressed in the so-called ‘mum uniform’ that Nicola was wearing the day she vanished until I was looking around me at the school gate today. A lot of them fitted her description.

I thought that the woman who found the dog and tied him (her?) up, went straight on to her appointment and didn’t call her DIL until 10:50 to tell her about the dog ? The daughter in law then called the school ? Although thinking about it that seems wrong as the dog could have been collected by then, or taken by someone else. Poor dog, tied up alone for so long.

Ok it's just stuff like this that he has apparently said that make him lose all credibilty. What if she struck her head on the rocks or was unconscious and unable to grab on as a result. I would have thought the presence of rocks made it more likely there was an accident not less.

I imagine, as he's an expert he knows what sort of signs to look out for of this was likely. Surely there would be some sort of disturbance on the bank for example if someone unconscious had tumbled or fallen hard enough to become unconscious

@lemmein my brother murdered my grandparents when I was 6. I no longer know for sure what I witnessed for myself or what my minds fabricated from things I've heard or seen on documentaries about it.

I live near a river. The rainfall the weeks before her disappearance was intense do people not recall the days of unrelenting rain and subsequent tree falls etc as a result. I also walk my dog along a river path I saw all sorts of things floating just beneath the surface, huge amounts of debris, large items. To the untrained eye the river would also have looked calm but it's deceiving. I constantly tell my kids because of where we live don't ever go in even if our dog looks in trouble in the water etc. I am not saying her dog went in but so many people are underestimating the water and how dangerous it can be. Obviously the police in charge of the investigation aren't!

Following with intrigue

We live not far from a more major river than the Wyre, and a couple of years ago a man went missing, last seen walking near the river. It was high at the time due to persistent rain, it is not tidal or near the sea. His body was found 4 months later about 3 miles downstream. It looked sadly like he had committed suicide, but such a long time to find him. And the river was really low by the time he was found, he had probably been caught on something upstream.

SR apparently believes the water in the area of the bench above the weir is fast following and tidal. Numerous locals and experts with extensive knowledge have confirmed this isn't the case. The dog was dry so hadn't been in the water.

Yes because they likely have information we don't (they are being so assertive about this they must do) and it's just plain common sense that rocks can be dangerous. The number of people who go missing near waterways is surprisingly high and no they aren't always found. This is why he in my opinion is seeking publicity rather than conveying his obvious experience. He obvioulsy knows because he is an experienced guy that often people aren't found yet he is selling the narritive they are? Why? He is seeking publicity he could have helped quietly yet he chose to put false narrative out via high profile press interviews. We must at least ask why he would do this rather than quietly liase with famliy and police?

Police looking for tatty red van,-possibly motor home seen parked nearby

@Oaktree55 The way I see it, he's not seeking publicity. He's thinking critically and challenging the main hypothesis being doggedly pursued by the police which so far has failed to yield results despite extensive use of resources. He offered the services of his team for free at the request of the family. Having had personal experience of a case where serious police errors led to devastating consequence, I support his approach.

Ok so again from my experience rivers which are non tidal can have fast currents. He said in the middle channel it was 4m deep?!? It doesn't need to be tidal to be dangerous. There's a flipping sign above the bench warning of the danger!!!!

OhmygodDont · Today 17:46
"Like maybe if she had bi eyes or a very crooked nose but as her just a pretty women who looks like half the school mums I see everyday I wouldn’t even give her a second hmmm glance."

What are bi eyes?

It follows from this that if Nicola has ended up below the weir, then it would seem most likely she entered the river below the weir. Which leaves the problem of the phone location.

And the dog.

Many years ago I was witness to a ram raid armed robbery of a jewellers shop. The three men had guns. I could recall the guns, the fact there were three men, and NOTHING else at all.

@Quveas This is a well-known phenomenon called the weapon focus effect. The presence of a weapon tends to reduce the accuracy of witness accounts.

I have been following most of the MN threads closely and the case generally in the news and just wanted to make a few points:

• As there has been so much focus on the river since the start, I fear if someone has indeed abducted Nicola it would be pretty simple for them to then discard her body into the river, of course also washing away most (if not all) implicatory evidence with it, even if it was recovered anytime soon. Moreover, even if Nicola is found in the river there will always be uncertainty as to how she ended up there.

• I don't think this has happened but I was just thinking, if she had intentionally disappeared, in this toxic Social Media age, can you even imagine how quickly and ferociously the sympathy from the British public would turn to rage if she turned up, regardless of Nicola's state of mind and other factors at the time of her disappearance?! I imagine she would probably have to end up changing her identity as a result and live akin to those participating in a witness protection programme.

Above all and having some experience working for a police force myself (albeit not as an officer), I am still surprised how quickly the Lancashire Constabulary were to deem this case an accident, particularly when there is so much awareness of the dangers lone women face, particularly in remote areas. I don't think a day has gone by recently without a horror story of a woman or girl in the UK being raped, abducted or murdered. I still cannot decipher if this is sheer incompetence or if, as others in this thread have suggested, the Police are aware of other facts that are not appropriate to be made public at this stage.

I don't think this has happened but I was just thinking, if she had intentionally disappeared, in this toxic Social Media age, can you even imagine how quickly and ferociously the sympathy from the British public would turn to rage if she turned up, regardless of Nicola's state of mind and other factors at the time of her disappearance?! I imagine she would probably have to end up changing her identity as a result and live akin to those participating in a witness protection programme.

Good point!

The dog being dry doesnt mean Nicola didn't fall in though so I'm not sure what point your making here.