Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 4

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www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/nicola-bulley-day-13-latest-updates-as-search-for-missing-mum-continues-4017066

Lancashire Evening Post has just posted this update.

This is the story of Peter who went missing 28 December and his phone hat and headphones were found a day later after he was walking along a canal.

"they're risking a random walking past in the field, and they're also taking a big chance as she was on the phone at the time, she'd have been likely to gasp or say something which her work colleagues would have heard. If she was being targeted you'd at least want the cover of darkness before attempting anything like that."

Newsflash: sex offenders take risks. Jumping out from behind a tree and startling someone before forcing them into the cover of the tree line is an acceptable level of risk to many of the fucking horrors that commit these crimes.

And no. Her colleagues wouldn't have heard a gasp because her phone was on mute and she'd need to unlock the screen and turn it off mute to gasp into it. Hardly a priority when someone is attacking you.

And before anyone says "but the dog", maybe it's a dozy fucker who was off sniffing the fishing bait and didn't see the few seconds it would take to carry his owner through the gate and into the tree line.

I wonder why he pulled out?
Any reason given?
Maybe he thought the police were against his helping to search?

I still think he’s right about Nicola not having fallen in.

But That’s just my opinion.
Police clearly think otherwise.

It stopped working 2 days prior so yes they can view the footage before. But I also meant the CCTV the police are currently viewing along Garstang Road which the exit leads out to. They are currently looking at 700 cars that were caught by it during the time of Nicola’s disappearance. I suggested looking at footage in the weeks leading up to it, ie a car/person looking suspicious in that area. Hopefully they will pursue that.

twitter.com/CapitalNWNews/status/1623327259749945349?t=G28PtTvRaPAlA2yHd2oyVg&s=19

"The private search team, led by @Peter_Faulding, will leave after today having searched the "hotspot" near where Nicola Bulley's phone was found: "I've worked on some weird cases but this is baffling"

Peter goes into detail as to where they have searched.

"He runs underwater searches for the police for the whole of the south of England. He knows what he’s doing"

As do lancs police, fire and rescue and the coastguard. It's a massive area with treacherous tides and sinking sands. It was the anniversary of the cockle pickers drowning just 2 days ago. I love how he explained the "you throw a ball in the Thames and it goes out and comes back cause it's tidal". Yeah mate, we know, this is a lot different to the Thames though

@itsnote

Thats true, but I wasn't really thinking along those lines and here's why. If it was some random guy who saw her on her own and decided to drag her in the bushes to attack her, then where is she now? If that had happened her body would have been found in the local vicinity (which you'd assume has been thoroughly searched by now). Her body isn't in those fields directly in that area. Think about how heavy a person is, even someone of slight build.

Not a chance you'd be able to carry her off somewhere afterwards to hide her, you'd need a vehicle to do that.

It still doesn't stack up.

And before anyone says "but the dog", maybe it's a dozy fucker who was off sniffing the fishing bait and didn't see the few seconds it would take to carry his owner through the gate and into the tree line.

When I was younger I had a big tough looking dog. He was a wuss though, bless him.

He was off lead and ran away when I got jumped as a teen. He came back eventually, but not all dogs will 'protect' or even stick around if something/someone scares them.

My thoughts -

1. A dog can be told to sit and wait and a well behaved one will do that.
2. It is rare for mothers to abandon their families but it does happen.
3. No one knows what has happened but going in the river and being unnoticed for as long as she has been means it's as least as unlikely as any other scenario that we can think up.
4. If someone really wanted to have abducted her they would have found a way, especially as this was a normal routine for her in terms of the walk route.
5. The reason this case resonates is for me is that I walk my dogs alone and there are times, for reasons that I can't specify that I have felt unsafe.

I really hope she has just run away. I know it's unlikely, but I hope for it. The plight of her children doesn't bear thinking about.:(

Has anyone watched the video embedded within this Blackpool Gazette piece? It’s an interview with main detective Riley? Looks like today?

She says that the phone was found ON the bench.

That police were called at 10:50

And she has no idea when PF / SGI plan to leave the site. Clearly no love lost there.

She also goes off on a tangent about sealing off the site.

@SueG60 there is a campsite directly behind where you could have a vehicle. Right up to the tree line if you wanted. You could park one on Rowanwater too if you knew the gate code then you would be in and the cctv was broken there.

Lindsay Birbeck was moved using a wheelie bin. Others in suitcases. It's possible. The bloke chasing women up the canal recently is a hefty, tall man.

Approx. 100 people have drowned in Manchester canals over the last 10 years, most of them men. It is alarmingly common, but not usually sinister. Same with Daniel Hives in Lancaster, he was last seen next to the Lune. It’s pretty common in York too. All tragic, but still just terrible, terrible accidents.

But why did he have a chance to take of his hat headphone and leave his phone behind?

Nobody's said he doesn't. Conversely he's said that the police team which do exactly the same job over a wider area, known for its rivers, lakes, canals, estuaries and coastline, aren't as proficient at their jobs as his team is.

His team deals with 10 drownings a year.

If Peter Faulding says she's not in the river why does he say "the entry point"?

twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1623316193468719104

I do think the abduction theory is looking more likely.

She was a small woman.
The dog was not a defensive one by the sounds of it
The CCTV in one area was broken.
As itsnote says, there's a campsite nearby to park a car. Amongst other places.

This whole situation really brings home the fact that women are NEVER safe but especially whilst out walking, especially doing the same route, day in, day out.

My heart absolutely goes out to her poor family.

She also doubles down on there NOT being 3rd party and rejects PF suggestion that phone was a decoy.

I've just seen online that a 16 year old boy also fell into that same stretch of river 45 years ago. His body wasn't found until 2 months later. Poor lad

www.lep.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028

@itsnote

I agree the only 2 logical explanations are falling in the river or abduction. I was trying to rule out a random attack, if its a rapist/murderer they'd have probably done it in that area, left her there and run off. Even a big guy wouldn't be able to walk for miles carrying a 120 pound weight over their shoulder, so I think its a few hundred yards carry to a vehicle or it didn't happen at all.

Having a vehicle there waiting and the risk of being seen is very high at that time of day. It suggests it wouldn't have been impulsive and that it would have required pre planning.

The bloke chasing women up the canal recently is a hefty, tall man.

This incident was less than one hour away in Barrowford. It would be easy to think they are related.

Thats true, but I wasn't really thinking along those lines and here's why. If it was some random guy who saw her on her own and decided to drag her in the bushes to attack her, then where is she now? If that had happened her body would have been found in the local vicinity (which you'd assume has been thoroughly searched by now). Her body isn't in those fields directly in that area. Think about how heavy a person is, even someone of slight build.

Not a chance you'd be able to carry her off somewhere afterwards to hide her, you'd need a vehicle to do that.

She’s quite a small woman and looks slim, I think a man much bigger than her could definitely carry her, it’s happened in cases before. There are still buildings within the local vicinity that she could be in. If they haven’t searched inside all buildings and just knocked the doors of occupied caravans then she could easily still be in any of these places.

Sounds like PF is finishing up, having concluded she isn’t in the river but police will continue to search.

Plus her strava routes were available for anyone to look at

Her movements predictable

yes that was my thought

Is there a point where the police say 'look, we're really sorry, but we just don't know what's happened' and that's it?

It just horrifies me to think that something else was going on whilst everybody was gazing in the water.