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Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 4

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 10:28

www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/nicola-bulley-day-13-latest-updates-as-search-for-missing-mum-continues-4017066

Lancashire Evening Post has just posted this update.

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Luckingfovely · 08/02/2023 13:59

Oaktree55 · 08/02/2023 12:01

This is how most serious accidents happen a catalogue of random unfortunate events which follow each other forming a cascade with a bad outcome. Accidents aren’t usually logical or foreseeable as if they were then they’d always be avoided!

This is about the most sensible thing written across multiple threads.

You can over-analyse tiny actions or events down to the bone; but it doesn't necessarily tell you much.

Humans aren't robots and don't act in entirely linear, predictable ways. We all make thousands of minute decisions without thinking about them every day.

I understand and completely support the debate around this event, and the very human need to understand what has happened.

At the same time, it's not helpful to make sweeping statements or possible to form definitive judgements on what does or doesn't add up.

Lastly, we may well never know for sure exactly what did happen - but arguing about opinions definitely doesn't help!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/02/2023 14:00

Wish we could just ask the dog

I know you were being ironic, but it seems there's a "medium" now involved so I'd be surprised if some kind of "dog whisperer" hasn't offered their services too

Cases like this are notorious for attracting lunatics of every stripe, and doubtless the call handlers are having an interesting time fending them off Hmm

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 14:00

Bluebellwood129 · 08/02/2023 13:52

@pigsinoodies But ultimately, only the police dive team was present during the initial search on the first day Nicola went missing. The question is, if Nicola entered the water in the area of the bench, why was she not found in that small area during that search?

SGI have only become involved much later when all kinds of variables could have come into play that means her current location can't be determined.

That's a different matter though, not what I was referring to at all.

For what it's worth I think she's either not in the water or they've missed her in the search between the bench and the weir. I've thought it unlikely right from the beginning that she's gone over the weir.

The police presumably have to now eliminate every possibility that she's in the river while continuing with whatever the 40 detectives are up to.

Guiltycat · 08/02/2023 14:01

I've seen that Faulding has now pulled out of the search.

Is it usual to not find anything at the scene of a fully clothed accidental drowning? Bits of out pockets, clothes, shoes etc.

Jenasaurus · 08/02/2023 14:02

This appeared today on my newsfeed. Seems a lot of people missing from the riverside in recent months and not found.

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oakleaffy · 08/02/2023 14:02

pink85 · 08/02/2023 13:56

Love the high and mighty holier than thou posters here condeming anyone for even discussing this as if we're addicted to someone elses misery when in fact it is genuine concern and mystery over what happened to Nicola and if these people who are so much better than us hate this thread so much (which tbh is far more respectful than most other places) why are you here? Nosy?

It’s always thus-
The halo 😇 polishers get all indignant, yet self righteously “Report” in a busy- bodyish manner- They condemn those who are interested in the case, yet clearly are invested enough themselves to be nosing around the comments.

It’s natural to be concerned about a woman dog walker gone missing- as many of us also walk dogs alone.

SirVixofVixHall · 08/02/2023 14:02

Oaktree55 · 08/02/2023 13:38

I’m not sure how much more evidence the doubters need that bodies get swept away and take a long time to reappear than pretty much exact thing happening on same stretch of river previously. 2 months it took for body to surface in exactly same bendy “shallow” stretch!

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028

This is the person who was a friend of a pp.
The difference is that there was no weir then, and no flood mitigation. We don’t know what the river was like when he went in. If there had been heavy rain upstream then the river would have been much faster.

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 14:03

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 14:00

That's a different matter though, not what I was referring to at all.

For what it's worth I think she's either not in the water or they've missed her in the search between the bench and the weir. I've thought it unlikely right from the beginning that she's gone over the weir.

The police presumably have to now eliminate every possibility that she's in the river while continuing with whatever the 40 detectives are up to.

I wish I would be confident that is what will happen. But my belief is that in a day or two the police will close down the river searches and declare they believe she has gone out to sea, then put the whole thing on the back burner. Despite PG saying that he can't really see any way she got past the weir, and they have completely searched above the weir now, and even if she got past the weir, the water is so shallow she wouldn't have made it out to the sea.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/02/2023 14:04

The gofundme only got around £400 before it was closed and Emma said she was refunding everyone

Ah, thanks ofwarren; I'd definitely seen £100k reported, but like so much else it could well have been nonsense (and it's totally my fault for not writing "reported to have received ...")

I'd still be interested to know if those refunds actually happen though

itsnote · 08/02/2023 14:04

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028

@vera99 this is your friend.

The article is a bit disingenuous because if he went in at woodplumpton brook he was a fair bit further upstream than a few yards. The river defences weren't in place back then either. The river is different now. Strange that it was on the exact same day. I wonder if it's what has drawn the police to the bridge each night with the tides.

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 14:04

Moonlightdust · 08/02/2023 13:59

The majority of the public never believed Nicola to be found in the river. Despite the Police repeatedly saying it is their belief which seems to be based upon lack of CCTV at 1 exit route. Unless of cause they are withholding a vital piece of evidence to prove otherwise, it just doesn’t fit with expert Peter’s 20 years of experience and findings. The notion she could have gone to sea seems to be impossible in Peter’s eyes as he clearly explains how at the weir the tide goes in/out and is very shallow over rocks - it would’ve revealed a body which couldn’t have gone out to sea.
If there’s just 1 exit out of the enclosed area, CCTV footage should be thoroughly examined in the weeks leading up to Nicola’s disappearance as IF it were an abduction then there must’ve been planning involved especially as such a small timeframe for it to happen.

You're saying they should examine CCTV of the exit they've already said hasn't got CCTV coverage?

OhmygodDont · 08/02/2023 14:05

I Imagine too that we shall be told that this missing women has sadly been swept out to sea as well. Swept under the rug and filed away never to be looked at again until maybe a body does turn up somewhere be that in a water way or somewhere else.

30yearsYounger · 08/02/2023 14:07

Thing is with unsolved cases is that without evidence you can’t build a case.

You can investigate someone, but without actual evidence that they’re involved there is very little that can be done.

In Claudia Lawrence’s case, because the body was never found there was very little to point to in terms of what had even happened to her. It could only be about suspicion, and it’s very difficult to bring a prosecution for murder without a body. It happens, but only if there is strong evidence which points to the killer.

Claudia Lawrence led a very complicated life, and this will have made things far more difficult in terms of any kind of investigation.

oakleaffy · 08/02/2023 14:08

SirVixofVixHall · 08/02/2023 14:02

This is the person who was a friend of a pp.
The difference is that there was no weir then, and no flood mitigation. We don’t know what the river was like when he went in. If there had been heavy rain upstream then the river would have been much faster.

Absolutely true.
Weirs and rivers being “ In spate” make a vast difference.
DS fishes a lot, and the times I have gone along, the same stretch of river he goes to can be as calm as a millpond, or a raging torrent bringing branches and debris with it.

This river looked calm and as the expert says “ shallow and stony” near the edge .

River not in spate.

pink85 · 08/02/2023 14:10

@oakleaffy Exactly!

TheWeeDonkeyFella · 08/02/2023 14:11

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 13:36

He works on a daily basis with forces in the south of britain and has done so for years. This isn't a willy waving competition. They are all equally proficient but his company has the advantage of advanced sonar that the others may not possess.

The point was to highlight the number of expert agencies involved beyond the police.

The only wily waving I can see has been from PF: "Whilst the police likely do have similar sonar, Mr Faulding said it probably isn't as powerful as his team's and they likely don't have the same level of expertise and personnel to focus on using it."

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/expert-underwater-team-say-find-26167940.amp

vera99 · 08/02/2023 14:12

SirVixofVixHall · 08/02/2023 14:02

This is the person who was a friend of a pp.
The difference is that there was no weir then, and no flood mitigation. We don’t know what the river was like when he went in. If there had been heavy rain upstream then the river would have been much faster.

That's Roger I wasn't going to mention the name. We were in primary school together and he went out in mopdes with my brother. Thanks for sharing.

salsamad · 08/02/2023 14:14

In the press it was reported that Nicola was wearing a Fitbit which will be linked to an App on her phone.
Surely the police can check the data on the App on the mobile phone or with the Company to track the movement/activity of the Fitbit on the day Nicola sadly went missing.
Fitbits log activity, heart rate, steps taken and some log location. They are waterproof (to a point) but obviously run out of charge overtime.

Sunriseinwonderland · 08/02/2023 14:14

I find it difficult to believe she could be anywhere else but in the river. The dog was off lead, if she'd walked away or been abducted the dog would have done its best to follow her.

Eightiesgirl · 08/02/2023 14:15

@OneEnchantedEvening The Darwin case was real life though too, it wasn't some paperback thriller. I think some people have that case in the back of their minds. People are bound to speculate. It's constantly all over the news and many of us on mumsnet can relate to Nicola. A mother of two, in her forties, just carrying out her daily routine, walking the dog after dropping the kids at school whilst attending a work conference call at the same time. Just an ordinary day in the life of a normal, busy woman, typically juggling all the balls of her life, looking after everyone, keeping everything ticking over smoothly and it's absolutely terrifying to us that she could just disappear. It could have been any of us, so no wonder people are speculating.

ofwarren · 08/02/2023 14:16

salsamad · 08/02/2023 14:14

In the press it was reported that Nicola was wearing a Fitbit which will be linked to an App on her phone.
Surely the police can check the data on the App on the mobile phone or with the Company to track the movement/activity of the Fitbit on the day Nicola sadly went missing.
Fitbits log activity, heart rate, steps taken and some log location. They are waterproof (to a point) but obviously run out of charge overtime.

It was reported that her fitbit hadn't synced with her phone since the Tuesday before she went missing so I can only assume it wasn't charged.

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SueG60 · 08/02/2023 14:18

I'd say its natural to speculate on what's happened because its so unusual, but its definitely uncalled for to point fingers at people. Seen plenty of people accusing her partner online but he might have a watertight work alibi (the police would know this) and its hurtful to do that. I'd also say that if people are going to speculate it should at least be something realistic, there's too much being said thats crazily far fetched.

You've just got to trust the police, there's an asymmetry of information here as we just get fed bits through the media whereas they have much more to hand, and they will choose to release whatever information is beneficial to release for the purposes of the inquiry.

The falling in the river theory doesn't seem to stack up very well, but the police explicitly said that from day 1. You'd think a body wouldn't be too difficult to find in that area of the river and thats certainly what the search specialist appears to have implied, yet so far nothing. Would also say it seems like a bit of a stretch that someone youngish, fit and healthy would randomly fall over into some shallow water and be unable to save themselves in the first place, and supposedly a strong swimmer. The dog would also have been going crazy next to the river if she'd submerged there you'd have thought.

You can almost 100% rule out a canoe man type scenario, you can see straight away she's just a normal loving mother, and normal people don't do that sort of thing, plus its ridiculously difficult to pull something like that off. John Darwin was a very different scenario, only his wife knew and have to remember this was back before social media or camera phones. It would be too difficult to avoid someone seeing you now. You can also rule out self harm, its totally implausible you'd kill yourself somehow somewhere where nobody would find you, plus there's no evidence she was in a bad frame of mind.

So I think you can narrow it down to either 1. falling in the river or 2. being abducted. Its a really odd case because if you were attacked by someone you don't know, usually you'd expect that to be opportunistic? Not in broad daylight in the middle of the morning where any random passer by could see. The lack of CCTV near the caravan site is a red flag but even still, anyone coming from there to take her is risking being seen by other people on the site (there's no way a whole community would keep quite about that if anything had been seen), they're risking a random walking past in the field, and they're also taking a big chance as she was on the phone at the time, she'd have been likely to gasp or say something which her work colleagues would have heard. If she was being targeted you'd at least want the cover of darkness before attempting anything like that. This is probably why the police are going with the river theory in the absence of evidence.

Nothing seems to stack up.

oakleaffy · 08/02/2023 14:20

itsnote · 08/02/2023 14:04

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028

@vera99 this is your friend.

The article is a bit disingenuous because if he went in at woodplumpton brook he was a fair bit further upstream than a few yards. The river defences weren't in place back then either. The river is different now. Strange that it was on the exact same day. I wonder if it's what has drawn the police to the bridge each night with the tides.

This was tragic- That poor young man and his Family.
However- The brook he ended up in was “In flood” -
That changes things a lot.
A raging torrent compared to a millpond.

The fact that Roger’s family too had psychics contacting them is very wrong.

Psychics all say different things from reports - and have got things spectacularly wrong in the past.

urbanbuddha · 08/02/2023 14:22

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 11:22

More experience of drownings than Lancashire Police? It's absolutely guaranteed that he hasn't.

Nor more experience than the North West Police search team - who cover from North Wales to the Scottish border.

He runs underwater searches for the police for the whole of the south of England. He knows what he’s doing,

vera99 · 08/02/2023 14:22

itsnote · 08/02/2023 14:04

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028

@vera99 this is your friend.

The article is a bit disingenuous because if he went in at woodplumpton brook he was a fair bit further upstream than a few yards. The river defences weren't in place back then either. The river is different now. Strange that it was on the exact same day. I wonder if it's what has drawn the police to the bridge each night with the tides.

Very sad it's like a ghost has reached out from the past. I'm glad they have shared that which is probably the most valid reason, it was a freak accident and she drowned,

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