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ofwarren · 2023-02-07T14:06:46+00:00

I couldn't see another post so thought I'd create one. There is a police press conference this afternoon. I can't see a time for this but it's sounding like a routine one.

Nicknacky · 07/02/2023 17:32

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:32

Maybe his is as frustrated as most of the country that the police appear to have a one-track mind on it all.

And- unless you have heard him ask those questions, he may not have. The media may be inventing it.

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He is on video saying he asked it.

oakleaffy · 07/02/2023 17:32

Nicknacky · 07/02/2023 17:31

I dunno, I could be wrong but I think the police might, just might, have asked Paul that already.

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Unlikely.
They seem to think Nicola ''Just fell in''.

Still.

confounded234 · 07/02/2023 17:33

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:29

I can see his point,
If he offered to help and the police turned him down- more fools them.

Now he is on the case and yes, he can comment. He's doing this free.

They did 3-4 miles of river yesterday and he says the rest will take another 2-3 days ( the river is 12 miles to the sea.)

The reason he is puzzled is simply because in all his years as a diver he'd have expected to find a body now.

The reason he hasn't is (IMO) that there isn't one.

There are no signs of slipping.

Her dog didn't stay with her (which is what dogs usually do)

she had no reason presumably to go so close to the river bank, as an experienced walker who's done that walk thousands of times.

Her dog was dry. There was no ball to retrieve.

No one heard any shouting or screaming.

Why would she put her phone neatly on a bench if she was walking away from it?

If she fell in by the bench- let's just say she did leave her phone on the bench- then she'd have been found in the water near the bench.

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That's my take on it too. With the key being that if she left her phone on the bench, she must have fallen in by the bench. If she didn't, then she didn't fall in, she was either pushed in or something else happened.

pigsinoodies · 07/02/2023 17:33

oakleaffy · 07/02/2023 17:30

Why should he ''stay in his lane'' if the local Plod are too dozy too be on the ball?
These are exactly the sort of questions that need to be asked!

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Who says that they haven't? That's the point. He doesn't know and it's no more his business than it is mine or yours. Speculation on MN forums is one thing, speculation from a self-proclaimed expert on national media is something else.

Eatentoomanyroses · 07/02/2023 17:35

Is it actually certain she left her phone on the bench or did the finder’s pick it up and put it on the bench? I’ve read different accounts.

katseyes7 · 07/02/2023 17:35

I got a 12 hour ban for calling out someone posting disgusting comments on twitter about Nicola's partner.
Unfortunately the algorithms on there don't seem to take English vernacular into account. I'd still do it again, though.
Some people really have no sense or feeling for the people involved in this situation. Let's hope they never find themselves dealing with something like this.
They seem to forget it's not bloody Cluedo or a murder mystery weekend.
This is people's lives.

Activelyannoyed · 07/02/2023 17:35

Nicknacky · 07/02/2023 17:29

I have an issue with him having asked her partner if Nicola has any enemies or stalkers, that’s not his place to ask that. He needs to stay in his lane.

Seriously? This is not for you to decide. It’s up to the family and police. And they clearly don’t agree with you. Or really care if you’ve an issue.

i don’t understand people who want to attack this man, bring him down. There was another on Twitter who tweeted telling him to start earlier. People accusing him of doing, what is basically his job, to sell books. It’s awful.

it’s astonishing how people are behaving, ripping others apart. To actually write he “needs to stay in his lane” as you personally don’t like it, is quite something.

the moment the police or family call you for your expert opinion. Do let them know though.

melonraspberry · 07/02/2023 17:35

He seems in regular contact with the family though, so I imagine he’s talking over the disappearance with them, as you would I think. It’s just human nature.

musingsinmidlife · 07/02/2023 17:37

I think the only way she drowned is if she got caught on something underwater and couldn't resurface. In that case, I would expect her to still be caught and fairly easily found. She is a strong swimmer so she isn't going to go into the water and just drown, clothes or not. I can't really see how she would have fallen and hit her head either, she wasn't diving in or falling from a height. Of course, freak, unexplainable accidents can happen but given there is no evidence of any kind - I agree with the skeptics that it shouldn't be assumed she is in the water.

confounded234 · 07/02/2023 17:37

pigsinoodies · 07/02/2023 17:33

Who says that they haven't? That's the point. He doesn't know and it's no more his business than it is mine or yours. Speculation on MN forums is one thing, speculation from a self-proclaimed expert on national media is something else.

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Although if the SI is effectively ruling out criminality in the presser, which she did, then what harm can it do? If there is no criminalityy expected in this case, which is what SI Riley said, then why does it matter and moreover why would it matter what SI Riley told PF? Why does she need to keep things from him if it's just a missing person? Surely it could be relevant to his search.

Either the police have some cunning masterplan here that they aren't letting on, or they are coming across as completely incompetent.

oakleaffy · 07/02/2023 17:38

Eatentoomanyroses · 07/02/2023 17:35

Is it actually certain she left her phone on the bench or did the finder’s pick it up and put it on the bench? I’ve read different accounts.

The ''Phone on bench'' thing is odd.
Most people are welded to their phones, they wouldn't ''Place it on a bench'' {where it could get nicked} then go wandering near the riverbank.

Possibly it was dropped in a fracas.
Perhaps someone picked it up and put it on the bench.
all very odd...ditto dog harness and lead.
You'd carry them.
Not toss them aside on the muddy grass.

Mirabai · 07/02/2023 17:38

Eatentoomanyroses · 07/02/2023 17:35

Is it actually certain she left her phone on the bench or did the finder’s pick it up and put it on the bench? I’ve read different accounts.

I’ve read different accounts too - it’s not certain - the police language has not been precise on this.

Activelyannoyed · 07/02/2023 17:38

pigsinoodies · 07/02/2023 17:33

Who says that they haven't? That's the point. He doesn't know and it's no more his business than it is mine or yours. Speculation on MN forums is one thing, speculation from a self-proclaimed expert on national media is something else.

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He’s not a self proclaimed expert. He is an expert in his field. A world leading one. The police bloody employ him as an expert normally.

people need to stop with this abusing folks who are helping. I can’t see why they think it’s ok.

Return2thebasic · 07/02/2023 17:39

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:13

Possibly because they know they have cocked up and other chance of finding her anywhere else, so in the end they will just say' swept out to sea'.

I wish that woman would give her head a wobble.

Lack of evidence doesn't mean there is none. It just means the police have not found any.

Idiots.

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Well, if police work is not evidence based, what do you want them do? Anything wiser that you'd suggest???

LynetteScavo · 07/02/2023 17:40

LoveMAFS · 07/02/2023 16:58

I want to know what the fitbit says.

I thought about this, but if the Fitbit is not near enough to her phone to synch can the data be retrieved?

oakleaffy · 07/02/2023 17:40

Activelyannoyed · 07/02/2023 17:38

He’s not a self proclaimed expert. He is an expert in his field. A world leading one. The police bloody employ him as an expert normally.

people need to stop with this abusing folks who are helping. I can’t see why they think it’s ok.

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Common sense at last. As a previous poster said, ''He's not some random bloke with a blow up dinghy'' He absolutely knows his stuff. Military background.

pigsinoodies · 07/02/2023 17:40

Activelyannoyed · 07/02/2023 17:38

He’s not a self proclaimed expert. He is an expert in his field. A world leading one. The police bloody employ him as an expert normally.

people need to stop with this abusing folks who are helping. I can’t see why they think it’s ok.

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I'm not abusing anyone.

ShellsPebbles · 07/02/2023 17:42

melonraspberry · 07/02/2023 17:35

He seems in regular contact with the family though, so I imagine he’s talking over the disappearance with them, as you would I think. It’s just human nature.

Yes. I thought the family were the ones pushing for him to be involved and were happy when the police accepted his help.
I wonder if he’s actually voicing some of the opinions of the family and has been asked by them to do so.
I don’t think many people believe she will be found in the river, including people close to her.
Hes an expert not just some random company trying to get work from the police, he already works with the police.

Mirabai · 07/02/2023 17:42

It would be great if we could have a discussion without posters attacking the family, the search expert or each other. Otherwise this Nicola Bulley thread will go the same way as all the others…

SirVixofVixHall · 07/02/2023 17:43

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:19

Yes and especially as they used her clothing as a reason why she may have been pulled down in the water owing to the heavy coats. Her coat looks unfastened on the photos and, even in a moment of panic, if you are a good swimmer, you may have been able to get your arms out of the sleeves.

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It is a puffa gilet over a jacket. But it is knee length not ankle.
If you look closely at the pictures you can see at the shoulders where the gilet ends.

Cocobutt · 07/02/2023 17:43

There are no signs of slipping.

Her dog didn't stay with her (which is what dogs usually do)

She could have fallen in by being pushed by the dog accidentally, so there wouldn’t be any signs of slipping.

They must know she had a tennis ball to say so as not everyone takes a ball out with them.

It could be possible that she had one of those long stock ball throwers and was sat on the bench on her work call and throwing the ball from there.

When it went into the water she could have got up from her seat and bent over to retrieve it and then had a medical episode or the dog pushed her.

The dog running around in the same area would make me think that was her last place as like you say most dogs do do that.

The dog would have sniffed the phone and bench which could have easily knocked it off.

If she had a medical episode or the water was freezing and she went into shock then it would be very easy to drown and be carried off.

If she was abducted or pushed then I would have thought they would have taken her phone or thrown it in the river, especially if it was making a noise because she was on a work call.

SirVixofVixHall · 07/02/2023 17:44

oakleaffy · 07/02/2023 17:38

The ''Phone on bench'' thing is odd.
Most people are welded to their phones, they wouldn't ''Place it on a bench'' {where it could get nicked} then go wandering near the riverbank.

Possibly it was dropped in a fracas.
Perhaps someone picked it up and put it on the bench.
all very odd...ditto dog harness and lead.
You'd carry them.
Not toss them aside on the muddy grass.

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Yes I think that is an odd thing to do too.

Goldpaw · 07/02/2023 17:45

oakleaffy · 07/02/2023 17:38

The ''Phone on bench'' thing is odd.
Most people are welded to their phones, they wouldn't ''Place it on a bench'' {where it could get nicked} then go wandering near the riverbank.

Possibly it was dropped in a fracas.
Perhaps someone picked it up and put it on the bench.
all very odd...ditto dog harness and lead.
You'd carry them.
Not toss them aside on the muddy grass.

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Maybe she was going down to the edge to look at something, and put her phone on the bench so it wouldn't fall in?

The police say that the phone was found already on the bench at 9.33.

Or maybe she was around the bench area and dropped her phone near the tree and went to retrieve it and fell.

So, the phone was near the tree where the police previously said it was found by the 9.33 person.

Triangulation shows that the phone was in that area at 9.20 and remained there, that much is certain i think.

Eatentoomanyroses · 07/02/2023 17:45

oakleaffy · 07/02/2023 17:38

The ''Phone on bench'' thing is odd.
Most people are welded to their phones, they wouldn't ''Place it on a bench'' {where it could get nicked} then go wandering near the riverbank.

Possibly it was dropped in a fracas.
Perhaps someone picked it up and put it on the bench.
all very odd...ditto dog harness and lead.
You'd carry them.
Not toss them aside on the muddy grass.

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I can see why she might have put it on the bench and been around the bench listening to the call but interacting with the dog. You’d need it out to hear the meeting as opposed to putting it in your pocket. If it was on the floor, that suggests something has gone on and made her drop it.

Hawkins002 · 07/02/2023 17:47

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