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Idontevenknow · 04/08/2022 12:26

OpinionsUnseen · 04/08/2022 11:52

Last night in the sky news interview she said she wished she could take them in there to show them how well he is doing.

Maybe it is in fact appropriate for a media representative to be allowed access as a one-off so that the media can get a real picture of the situation rather than her version of it. I suspect the media wouldn’t be so quick to be giving her interviews if they knew the real state of play.

The media could get a real picture if the journalists did their job properly. The court documents / judgements are available for them to read. I despise the journalism in this country.

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2022 12:26

MoreProseccoNow · 04/08/2022 12:02

Such a sad situation.

I remember something similar with Charlie Gard.

It just seems a very strong denial on the part of parents, it must be an awful thing to face up to.

But they are also surrounded by people with agendas who are exploiting them at a vulnerable time.

I imagine the care relationship between the parents and hospital staff has totally broken down.

The difference with the CG case was that there was a dr working on an experimental therapy that could have halted the deterioration or even improved things. Not sure there was ever a chance of cure but certainly a possibility to extend his life and him being off mechanical ventilation.

This was agreed and the nhs were funding it but he became too unwell to then have this.

So the fight was about whether they should still try this treatment or not.

This case is about whether to keep him mechanically ventilated indefinitely because the parent says it's what the child would want. It's about a parent believing he will recover with no possible medical treatment or agreement from anyone that he can or will.

But she can't or won't hear or understand this as she is so far in her grief and fight and has people convincing her it's possible.

Of course she won't give up in case one of those people is right. They arent helping her. And the media are imo being criminal in encouraging this.

OpinionsUnseen · 04/08/2022 12:30

I hope that fighting for Archie to the best of her ability and in every way she can through every avenue available to her gives her the chance to find peace one day unfortunately I think this is the end of her ability to control anything.

Archie’s life before this incident is going to be heavily scrutinised during the inquest, and this means that she is also going to come under scrutiny and facts about her are going to become public knowledge not just on some out-of-the way reddit sites but in the mainstream media. And she is not going to have any control over that.

So unfortunately for her the end for Archie is likely to be just the beginning for her.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 04/08/2022 12:30

Has anyone looked into the claims about these facilities in Italy/Japan/Turkey who are willing to treat him and have said there is a chance of giving hm some sort of progression?

Odd that they've come forward now , not when she was doing all this frantic research .
She had the Dr is the USA who was advising her ( I presume she sent details of the Scans-That-Weren't-Archies . "Oh can you examine these MRI results that are of a completely different kid with less teeth thann Arch " ?
Yeah 'cos that happened .

There isn't a Knight In Shining Armour Turkish/Italian/Japenese Doctor . If there was , they could fly over to consult with the PICU in Barts .
Hollie has the GoFundMe money , that could pay a % (flights etc)

Logically , if someone asked her what she wanted and what was do-able , would the final answer be I want Archie to die of cardiac arrest knowing this would be the most traumatic experience but it would be Archies body giving up on Archie ?

Realistically , how long would it take before this happened ?

ApolloandDaphne · 04/08/2022 12:30

Thanks for the new thread. It all seems to be dragging on and on and meanwhile poor Archie is deteriorating.

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2022 12:31

EYProvider · 04/08/2022 12:06

This thread is shocking. People are speculating on how this child died and whether the mother is hiding something. Jesus, it’s unseemly.

I don’t understand why MN are allowing it.

No they aren't. Your choosing to interpret it how you want to.

It's accepted (and so would anyone with half a brain cell) that the only person who can say why he hung him self is Archie (it's not diluted he did this) and what happened after he was found was the person who found him. Who has given various accounts all in the public domain.

It's not in dispute how he was found unconscious. What's your agenda to make it otherwise?

ancientgran · 04/08/2022 12:31

titchy · 04/08/2022 12:24

It's been mentioned earlier on in this thread, but it really is terrifying that we are at a point in history where people view professionals and experts with suspicion and distrust and a belief that they must be lying or have sinister motives

Thank you Michael Gove....

It isn't surprising though is it. We have a PM who will smile as he lies to us, scandals like Shipman and Allitt (not sure if that's how you spell her name but she was the nurse who killed some of her young patients.) Priests and nuns who abused children. Then there is the surgeon currently in prison who told women they had breast cancer and put them through unnecessary surgery.

I suppose there was similar stuff in the past and we just didn't know and doctors were like Gods and we never questioned them. The pendulum swings and rarely stops in the middle, it goes from one extreme to another.

ILikeHotWaterBottles · 04/08/2022 12:33

That 'religious' group assisting her on this has a lot to answer for. They are utter bastards. When he finally does go fully, no life support, she is going to be a wreck. It would have been kinder to let him go months ago for her, all this leading on and pretending he is still alive, she is going to be fucked psychologically. And when she finally realised how wrong she was, that's going to mess her up even more. Will this group pick up the pieces then? No they'll have moved onto some other vulnerable person to manipulate. Utter cunts the lot of them. Religious my ass, they are all going to hell.

Crikeyalmighty · 04/08/2022 12:34

It's absolutely tragic and no one wants to lose a child ever but if the experts say that there is no hope of a recovery then I think you have to accept that is the case . Awful and immensely tragic as it is - I think the media need to back off.

pepsirolla · 04/08/2022 12:34

tiredwardsister · 04/08/2022 12:23

Im a paediatric ward sister and have been following the case and reading all the threads on it. This idea ITU (PICU is children's ITU) is an impersonal place to die is insulting to all those staff who look after the patients and patients who die there everyday. Most relatives think the staff in ITU are amazing and I think it was clealry demostrated during the heoght of covid how caring and dedicated the staff are. Secondly moving a child that is that sick (which will be done with either his current medical team or a specialised paediatric transfer service is very risky and I suspect the mother wont be allowed to accompany him (ours aren't) in the ambulance and he may die in the ambulance. Thirdly caring for a child as sick as Archie is exceedingly complicated and requires extensive training, hospice staff are highly unlikely to have that level of training and anyway once the ventilator is removed he will die very quickly because he is not able to breath for himself so again PICU is the best place to do this where the staff who know whats going to happen can support the family.
Lastly I am exasperated by this case we transfer out children to PICU on a regular basis and most times there are no beds in our region and sometimes no beds in the UK children are being held in adult ITU's which is totally inappropriate whilst a bed is found somewhere, we are based n the south and our children do go as far as Glasgow, parents look stunned when we say the you child is being airlifted to Glasgow/Manchester/Liverpool PICU because it's the bed left . We also have a significant group of patients awaiting surgery who cant get it done because of a shortage of PICU beds. I'm obviously not blaming Archies family for this but I do think they have reached the end of the road with this and that someone needs to stop them delaying his tragic death any longer.

Thank you for this insight and thank you for doing the job you do. In my experience all staff in itu are amazing, work so hard and totally dedicated to best care of patient and family

Badger1970 · 04/08/2022 12:35

Who actually is acting in Archie's best interests at this stage

Eeksteek · 04/08/2022 12:36

EYProvider · 04/08/2022 12:06

This thread is shocking. People are speculating on how this child died and whether the mother is hiding something. Jesus, it’s unseemly.

I don’t understand why MN are allowing it.

Because they mostly are not. They are discussing the best interests of a child, both in general and specifically, seeking and helping to explain the medical facts, the wider implications of the law and issues with consent in society and absorbing the shock of a horrifically injured child.

It’s been overwhelmingly sympathetic to Hollie, despite also being overwhelmingly not supportive of her actions. That’s pretty rare on the internet.

UnicornIceCream · 04/08/2022 12:36

Who is representing her and advising her , who is doing her PR?

I think she’s being exploited sadly and she doesn’t realise . She’s being used as a mouthpiece by those claiming to help her. I think it’s totally unfair to her. The platform needs to be removed for her own good. I know there is a lot of negativity towards her but I think she believes she’s doing the right thing and I imagine behind the scenes she’s being told to carry on like this.

UnicornIceCream · 04/08/2022 12:38

ILikeHotWaterBottles · 04/08/2022 12:33

That 'religious' group assisting her on this has a lot to answer for. They are utter bastards. When he finally does go fully, no life support, she is going to be a wreck. It would have been kinder to let him go months ago for her, all this leading on and pretending he is still alive, she is going to be fucked psychologically. And when she finally realised how wrong she was, that's going to mess her up even more. Will this group pick up the pieces then? No they'll have moved onto some other vulnerable person to manipulate. Utter cunts the lot of them. Religious my ass, they are all going to hell.

How long before Italy offer treatment I wonder …

Perplexed0522 · 04/08/2022 12:39

It seems like this will never end for Archie. I’m at a loss for words. That poor boy.

knittingaddict · 04/08/2022 12:41

TugboatAnnie · 04/08/2022 11:37

They're not facts @BongoJim and you know it. I bet you were at the front crucifying the McCanns.

What a silly and offensive post.

I haven't been posting on these threads, but have been following closely. The vast majority have been fair, factual and interesting, including the ones you are objecting to.

Just for your info I agree with the people on here that this has been a tragic situation turned into a sad farce.

I also fully supported the McCanns and never believed they had anything to do with their daughter's disappearance. If anything I think it's the likes of AA that are more likely to go after the McCanns.

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EYProvider · 04/08/2022 12:42

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2022 12:31

No they aren't. Your choosing to interpret it how you want to.

It's accepted (and so would anyone with half a brain cell) that the only person who can say why he hung him self is Archie (it's not diluted he did this) and what happened after he was found was the person who found him. Who has given various accounts all in the public domain.

It's not in dispute how he was found unconscious. What's your agenda to make it otherwise?

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I don’t have an agenda. What is your problem? Are you getting some sort of sick enjoyment from speculating about this?

EYProvider · 04/08/2022 12:45

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You need to stop now. It’s very wrong to make comments like this.

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What a dreadful thing to say. Please delete before this post is quoted. Thanks

catinboots123 · 04/08/2022 12:49

What, why???

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TheCountessOfGrantham · 04/08/2022 12:50

I've been reading into her background this morning from some links to a website people posted on an article from the Independent. People who were saying her page is absolute nuts and she's using him. It's all full of screen grabs.

She has been very litigious in the past and she does seem to be changing her stories on what happened. There are people saying he attempted suicide in his sister's room the night before and that he was unsupervised the following day which is why he was able to do what he did and not be be found for a little while. He was by all accounts a quite lonely, sensitive and depressed little soul

Lots of information about his home life which I'm not going to share on here but you can find it if you look and if you want to.... it all seems really complicated and it's making me wonder if it's about Archie or if it's about his mum and her enduring drive to win, which is being exploited and taken into overdrive by the Christian group and her social media page.

And having now seen the photos she shares on her page of him, I agree the media should be using those and not the one of him looking beautiful and healthy, because it paints such a false picture of who is really lying in that hospital bed. It's so so sad.

Mummapenguin20 · 04/08/2022 12:50

Hope this soon comes to a end

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