Archie Battersbee thread 5

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Also, apparently her fb has been locked down to stop her from telling the truth…

They also have “proof” that they want his organs. They managed to look at the iPad and see

It was mentioned in the court summary about his gastrointestinal function being controlled by drugs and also about being nutrition when he's well enough to sustain it.

Probably sue to accusations of starvation she made?

Also the blood tests will show his organ function.

His heart is already showing signs of strain from the readings on the monitor. But I think a lot of people think organs as kidneys and liver only.

What I'm really surprised about (although they may be holding it back for the next court appeal) is that they didn't ask about transferring him after death to a hospice with a cold room where they could spend days with him and getting bereavement care.

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Archie Battersbee thread 6 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/inthee_news/4605309-archie-battersbee-thread-6

It’s gut-wrenching to think of that poor little boy being deprived of every shred of dignity he has while his mother drags the staff caring for him through every court she can find.

‘The Army’ is the worst part of it, none of them have any real clue and, from what I can surmise having looked at some of their social media profiles, barely a GCSE between them. Rallying cries of ‘come on Arch, open your eyes!’ is just fuelling Hollie’s determination to beat the system and prove everyone wrong. That’s what it seems her aim is now, to be able to win. There are no winners here 😞

I just hope that poor boy is allowed to go peacefully sometime soon.

I've read she's taking advice of a nurse friend. Forgive my ignorance but surely this friend should be held accountable for her medical opinion .

My thoughts exactly. It's unbearably cruel now. Just let him go.

Anyone can call themselves a nurse though, maybe it someone who worked in a hospital years ago
I used to be a nurse albeit mental health so I have no idea about working in a children's icu and my knowledge about physiology is limited but it could be someone who did the training i did whose.advising her for example I don't know why you would do this but people are strange

She could be a dental nurse for all anyone knows.

Is it a nurse friend in real life, or an online AA friend claiming to be a nurse? Anybody can claim to be anything on the Internet. If someone says “I’m a nurse/DR and that reading means he’s going to be fine!” she’ll cling to that. It happens so much that MN puts this disclaimer at the top of its health boards. Even those genuinely in the medical profession will only have the information released to the public/filtered by Hollie. Only those who have been looking after him in that hospital bed for the past 4 months can be trusted to make an accurate assessment of his condition. They know there’s no coming back from this.

When I got up this morning, I was hoping they (family) would have let him go peacefully overnight while the hospital would be quieter.

They've ruled out neck damage in his MRI ( Hollie posted an MRI photo with a red circle indicating an area i his neck that she was concerned about possibly injury in his fall from the bannister )

If they're looking for fluid in his lungs - that would show on XRAY
Otherwise don't know how they can interpret this as 'no organ failure '

No, I'm not. It is all there in Monday's judgement. It is an appeal from the High Court judgement by Mr Justice Hayden, the purpose of the appeal being to stay that judgement to give time for the UN CRPD to consider the case. The President of the Family Court, in discussion with Lady Justice King, decided to list this for a hearing on Monday following the intervention from the UN. That was effectively leave to appeal. So, the Monday hearing was the appeal as is made clear at the head of the judgement ("on appeal from the High Court of Justice Family Division Mr Justice Hayden"). The appeal failed - a stay was not granted. Therefore, with a failed appeal, the parents were able to ask the Supreme Court for leave to appeal, which was not granted.

Just to clarify, they did not get leave to appeal the substantive judgement. They did get leave to appeal for that judgement to be stayed.

I don't think it's helpful to speculate
And there will be an inquest at some point.

I was talking about this decision:

www.supremecourt.uk/news/permission-to-appeal-decision-in-the-matter-of-archie-battersbee.html

which followed the court of appeal refusing permission to appeal on 27 July.

The Supreme Court also refused permission a second time:

www.supremecourt.uk/news/dance-and-battersbee-v-barts-health-nhs-trust-permission-to-appeal-decision.html

I had thought @Quia was asking about the first and that was what my answer was about, but I may have been mistaken.

Support will be switched off tonight at 22.30
Hollie has asked for a peaceful vigil to show respects to Archie outside of hospital.
I think she knows now that there are no further options.

I can't imagine how Hollie is feeling right now, selfishly I don't want to try to imagine.
I pray the the last few hours she has with him she can put the fight to the back of her mind and just take in the last few hours with her boy

BBC reporting the family are taking another appeal to the European Court of Human Rights.

It's the right thing to do and should have happened sooner. Yes, his mother has been the face and voice of the family's protests, but there is no sign the father is not supportive of the same stance from what I can see.

What?? I am just waiting for kids to go bed before I put news on. Surely there has to come a time where she can't prolong things by appealing?

I don’t understand it. How can she go from asking for a peaceful vigil to appealing again to ECHR? It’s time to let go.

I'm confused here. They're not allowed to transfer him to a hospice because he's 'Too unstable', but surely, he's already dead? What is there to risk?

@ChitChatChatter
DD (15) asked me what I would do in Hollie's position.
I told her I would like to think I would do the best for her, but in all honesty I believe the mum in me, the i need my kids part of me could overrule and I can't rule out that I wouldn't fight.
DD looked a bit disappointed in me but asked 'how far would you take it though, how many times would you put a stop to the switch off by appealing and finding new ways of keeping me a little longer'
I told her I couldn't possibly answer, but I believe there is something in me that would fight forever. I can't imagine myself being ok with saying 'ok I get I won't get to hear my daughter play her instrument again'
She said so even though if you kept me alive you won't hear me play as I would be brain dead but you would keep me in That position so you can cling on to a little bit of hope that I will miraculously pick up my guitar.
I told her honestly I wouldn't want to be that parent but I can't promise I wouldn't be.
She has just said 'well I am telling you now, if ever it is advised you switch support off and you want me to stay on it, just know it will be against my wishes'
This made me think. Only Hollie knows her boy. What would Archie say if he could have predicted the future.

I do know one thing, the bbc, tiktok, facebook, mumsnet...wouldn't see me for dust. If I am fighting or not, I would want to spend every second in that hospital holding my childs hand the way I have done their whole life.