Archie Battersbee thread 5

[henryhihat]

New thread...

HappyHamsters · I absolutely agree that there should be a news blackout at this point other than to cover the outcomes.

However at the moment the media are helping to fuel this belief that Archie is fighting for his life, that the hospital are preventing him from recovering, that he is a victim of murder and that needs to stop.

I’m not saying for one second that pictures need to be broadcast, they absolutely shouldn’t.

but I do think that the media need to be given an accurate picture of how things are now, before that they are prevented from reporting. That way they’ll have a better understanding as to why they’re being silenced, rather than it being seen as some kind of conspiracy. Iyswim.

The media will literally chew her up and spit her out when Archie has passed and they have got what they want from her. They will have an absolute field day during the inquest. Shouldn't one of her so called advisors be warning her of this?

People are commenting on her own words and actions.

I'm sure an inquest will happen in time, but for now the poor boy needs to be allowed die with some dignity.

if that happens i'm pretty sure we'll hear comments about how the hospital wasnt helpful and their killed their child against their wishes

@henryhihat posted on the previous thread:

It's been mentioned earlier on in this thread, but it really is terrifying that we are at a point in history where people view professionals and experts with suspicion and distrust and a belief that they must be lying or have sinister motives, but will happily believe Geoff on FB who's "done his own research". That's how we ended up with Brexit, it's how the covid vaccination programme faced so much stick, and how Alfie Evans, Charlie Guard, and now Archie have been afforded no dignity at the end of their lives.

I utterly utterly despair.

Totally agree. The level of ignorance around this is extraordinary. I've just been looking at the gofundme which talks about using the money for rehabilitation and better medical care among other things. Also says he is in an induced coma.

The stated management of the funds is somewhat concerning too.

MN are deleting inappropriate comments. I have no authority policing the thread but for my part agree that now isn’t the time to speculate on the background. However this thread has discussed many important and interesting issues of medical and legal ethics. Many people have learned about the case from explanations from the medics. Many people affected by the issues have shared their stories.

It would be appalling for MN to delete the entire thread instead of specific comments.

I'm not surprised her recall of what happened in April has changed. Memory is fickle at the best of times and down right unreliable under high stress and emotion. She might not be lying, but her memory could well have changed over time. Everytime we go over something on our minds we change the memory.

On the BBC article she says she wants a hospice as they are never alone with Archie, there is always a nurse present. That just shows how ill he is (not the right word but I can't think of a better one). They will be given privacy and time when the ventilator is removed.

Id like to think any reputable, highly paid and experienced QC would advise their client on what they can and cannot publish or say in public, not that it might make any difference

The media need to let this go now or least give mum the space. But guess she invited them in and if she feels it's the only way to get her point across however wrong her point may be I can't see her turning them down. Though someone close to her again should say no!

That tells us more about the someone than it does about her.

I have been following this case and my conclusion is that Hollie is delaying the inevitable because IMO while Archies physical presence is still there in that hospital bed, she probably feels that there is still some hope, even though she will know in her heart that everything else is gone. Once his physical presence is gone she will have to face the fact that he has truly died and that, I imagine, is the worst thing for a parent.
if that makes sense

The poor boy is clearly far too ill to survive a transfer to a hospice, the mother needs to accept that, leave him where he is and let him go with a bit of dignity where he is now, in his bed with his family around him.
This is just awful to watch and read about as it stands now.

Thanks for sharing.

The media know full well the whole situation, they are just whipping up hysteria like they always do. Since when does a journalist let facts get in the way of whipping up hysteria in the uneducated?

Will this challenge go to all 3 courts again?

was it you in the other thread? I don't know what forum you've come from but the etiquette here is to "Watch" the thread by clicking the "watch this thread" button and then bookmarking the latest post so you can follow it.

If you're not the one from the other thread - where is this coming from? (and above applies)

I hope that fighting for Archie to the best of her ability and in every way she can through every avenue available to her gives her the chance to find peace one day

unfortunately I think the rest of her life will be consumed with bitterness against the hospital, staff, and legal system which she view as “killing” her child.

i would not be surprised if she continues to seek legal action, or try and set up an “Archie’s Law” thing trying to make it law that only the parents can permit withdrawal of treatment.

Agree. I said this before.

She's called those wanting to end the ventilation murderers.

How can she possibly now agree to that?

Im a paediatric ward sister and have been following the case and reading all the threads on it. This idea ITU (PICU is children's ITU) is an impersonal place to die is insulting to all those staff who look after the patients and patients who die there everyday. Most relatives think the staff in ITU are amazing and I think it was clealry demostrated during the heoght of covid how caring and dedicated the staff are. Secondly moving a child that is that sick (which will be done with either his current medical team or a specialised paediatric transfer service is very risky and I suspect the mother wont be allowed to accompany him (ours aren't) in the ambulance and he may die in the ambulance. Thirdly caring for a child as sick as Archie is exceedingly complicated and requires extensive training, hospice staff are highly unlikely to have that level of training and anyway once the ventilator is removed he will die very quickly because he is not able to breath for himself so again PICU is the best place to do this where the staff who know whats going to happen can support the family.
Lastly I am exasperated by this case we transfer out children to PICU on a regular basis and most times there are no beds in our region and sometimes no beds in the UK children are being held in adult ITU's which is totally inappropriate whilst a bed is found somewhere, we are based n the south and our children do go as far as Glasgow, parents look stunned when we say the you child is being airlifted to Glasgow/Manchester/Liverpool PICU because it's the bed left . We also have a significant group of patients awaiting surgery who cant get it done because of a shortage of PICU beds. I'm obviously not blaming Archies family for this but I do think they have reached the end of the road with this and that someone needs to stop them delaying his tragic death any longer.

They are. Whoever runs or is admin on the group posted they will be looking into setting this up..not quite sure what they have it planned to be

It's been mentioned earlier on in this thread, but it really is terrifying that we are at a point in history where people view professionals and experts with suspicion and distrust and a belief that they must be lying or have sinister motives

Thank you Michael Gove....

Thank you for this. I'm really affected too, more than I logically thought I would be. I have found the factual response useful and somewhat comforting.

Thank you this has helped

Thanks for the new thread OP.

As permission to move him has already been refused once and then refused again on appeal, I just don’t see how this further appeal has been allowed. It’s time to just let the poor boy go. It seems even in hospice repeated demands and appeals will be made to prolong his inevitable end.