Archie Battersbee thread 5

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It would be a very sad situation if she were removed but I can see how it might come to that or at the least there would be very tight security presence at the end.

Great, now perhaps you could tell us what isn't fact?

Who on earth would be prepared to be part of the team attempting to move that poor child’s body to a hospice? No way.

I would hope that if he were to be nicer to a hospice it might bring her some peace and acceptance. For all she says she would administer oxygen I actually believe the trained and dedicated staff would be able to help her allow him to pass peacefully. It could just be that the correct environment and support is needed it’s extremely sad and maybe she just needs someone trained to let her know it’s ok now to let go

Last night in the sky news interview she said she wished she could take them in there to show them how well he is doing.

Maybe it is in fact appropriate for a media representative to be allowed access as a one-off so that the media can get a real picture of the situation rather than her version of it. I suspect the media wouldn’t be so quick to be giving her interviews if they knew the real state of play.

I completely agree @Maerchentante.

Agree.

When my my mum died of cancer she was asleep, Non responsive and we hoped she could hear us but who knows.

We were told she wouldn't wake up. She didn't. She laid in the same position without moving or anything for 36 hours until she stopped breathing and her heart stopped.

They don't call it a coma officially but that's what it essentially was.

Her body could t work. She couldn't eat or drink and so her organs failed. I think she was also necrosing internally because there was an aroma of death for days before she slipped into unconsciousness.

It was soul destroying to watch. But wouldn't have been fair to keep her alive so we didn't have to deal with losing her.

Moved not nicer (sorry autocorrect)

You're probably right, I worry she is getting terrible advice from her so called supporters which is adding to her distress and the media aren't helping either.

I feel like she may have backed herself into a corner and doesn’t know how to get out. Someone new and trained possibly a hospice dr or similar could really really help. I think she doesn’t know how to stop now it’s heartbreaking. The media aren’t helping at all. Someone needs to step in

Of course its not appropriate, this poor child has the right to privacy and dignity, not have his pictures plastered all over the media or be gawped at by some poor unsuspecting roving news hound who is not a medical expert. What about the other patients, their parents, the staff. If anything there should be a new blackout.

The media are behaving despicably. They appear to be quite out of control.

The CLC are ditto behaving despicably, but they are in control and playing a game of chess that the media refuses to see.

NHS staff have been accused of being murderers, the courts co-executioners. The media just seem to be thinking, 'oooh, good copy!' and applying no critical thinking at all.

It's going to be quite an inquest. A very senior, experienced coroner needs to handle it.

Such a sad situation.

I remember something similar with Charlie Gard.

It just seems a very strong denial on the part of parents, it must be an awful thing to face up to.

But they are also surrounded by people with agendas who are exploiting them at a vulnerable time.

I imagine the care relationship between the parents and hospital staff has totally broken down.

I was reading an article where someone knew her personally and apparently she has "form" for attention seeking. I can't comment because I don't know the woman personally, as much I can sympathise its now a circus. That child is dead and she needs to let him go now.

I hope he isn't moved to a hospice. What an intolerable thing to do to a child in his circumstances who is about to die. Thinking back to when we used to take it patients from theatre to ITU, there was so much moving them around, multiple cannula sites to care for, the ET tube and ventilator to deal with, monitoring to maintain etc, it was really difficult to ensure the patient was kept stable, comfortable and dignified on the short journey through the corridors.

I can't imagine how it would be for Archie to be transferred to a narrow ambulance trolley, everything connected to him being moved about for that transfer, then another journey through hospital corridors and outside, then jiggled about into the ambulance, then an unstable bumpy journey, then all the above in reverse. Then, once his ventilation is stopped, he will, sadly, die very rapidly.

What an awful thing to put him through. And that's not considering all the- great - risk that the journey would expedite his death, and that might occur during transfer.

I know he can't feel discomfort or pain, but he has endured enough. He should stay in his bed where he is now, and be afforded a dignified peaceful end.

I cannot understand how the hospice argument can be entertained even for a second.

The whole tragic case is based on what is best for that dear boy. Putting him through that purely to make it easier for his family to say goodbye is utterly selfish.

Surely someone has mentioned that the journey to a hospice is a very unfortunate idea? Poor little chap. I empathise with his mum clinging on, but she seems now to have accepted that she’s had recourse to every avenue and there are no other routes to explore (legally, I mean, physically, I believe the doctors’ diagnoses) I understand she feels bitter and doesn’t want the machinery switched off in the hospital, but what is the point-someone mentioned noise-of moving him?

This thread is shocking. People are speculating on how this child died and whether the mother is hiding something. Jesus, it’s unseemly.

I don’t understand why MN are allowing it.

Words fail me. She is beyond delusional.

www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-the-latest-in-the-archie-battersbee-case/

I am finding myself really affected by this. I found these comments helpful.

So is this comment.

His poor, poor mum.

If its true that she has published the names of his doctors and put their safety at risk then her lawyers have a lot to answer for, how could they let that happen.

Holly Dance does have some agency here - is she listening to anything her lawyers are saying? How could her lawyers have anticipated she'd publish the names of the doctors!

Caveat - I've read some suggestions that some within her legal team may not be strictly ethical or compliant with their code of conduct - but I don't know the truth of those assertions.

I can't see him surviving the move out of the door of the room he is in and down the corridor, I really doubt he'd get as far as the hospital doors let alone into an ambulance and I do wonder if the hospice who have agreed (if that is in fact true, as we know HD has misunderstood things in the past), have done so knowing there is zero chance he will actually make it through their doors.

But if that happens then I can see some huge drama, and wild accusations thrown at hospital/hospital staff...

I really hope the latest appeal to move him is turned down flat ASAP. It should be easy enough to do as they have already ruled he's to stay where he is!

When Hollis says she will give him oxygen if the hospital doesn’t, does that mean she wants him to have facial oxygen or that she’s intending to bag him?