Archie Battersbee - Thread 3

[BongoJim]

Follow on from previous full thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4596573-archie-battersebee-case-thread-2?page=1

Over 20 years ago, a boy in my street died after doing the blackout challenge. A long time before TikTok.

At least, that is what we were all told. Most of us suspected that he committed suicide but that the mother found it easier to say it was part of a challenge.

We didn't hound the mother to find out the details however as 1. This was before social media and 2. The mum was very private and wanted to grieve in peace.

It's very sad, whatever the circumstances.

If the court does allow any delay I suspect it could put a time limit on it and tell the UN that if they don't produce a decision by then the withdrawal of treatment will go ahead anyway. They've already found that it's not in Archie's best interests for treatment to continue, and surely his interests must come ahead of the UN's convenience. Our court system has taken a lot of trouble to arrange urgent hearings so it is reasonable to expect the UN to do the same.

I wonder if the media will be prevented from reporting on the judgement to remove life support until it’s been removed, assuming that’s the way the hearing goes.

We have been. It was pages ago.

According to the BBC a legal stay for the removal of treatment is only in place until 1 PM today. So the hospital can quite legally remove the life support after that if no judgement has been forthcoming. Not that they necessarily would, but that they could.

Hollie apparently said to Radio 4 ""I don't think I'm holding on to hope, I'm just asking for a realistic time for my child to recover from a brain injury." I didn't hear the interview: did anyone ask why she said that when her lawyers told the court she accepted he cannot recover?

Not sure but the interview went on to say that she doesn't think 6 months is too much to ask for. So it sounds like she has a time frame in mind she wants this to continue for. What happens after 6 months though? Will 12 months not be too much to ask for? Then 18 months?

You have to wonder why they didn't come before, given that it's always been a fairly high possibility that he could die at any time.

The timing would seem a little cynical so near to the pivotal moment I suppose.

Well yes, when my relative was on icu I literally ran out of work whilst on the phone to my brother . Not 4 months down the line.

My opinion on this will get the thread deleted and myself banned.

I’ve been dipping in and out of all the threads but you really can’t police who reads or how we read.

Why do you need to comment on the mother’s “past” at all?

If it’s not appropriate or relevant to post details, then just
don’t mention it or hint at it at all.

I absolutely think the case should be discussed. I’m not one of the “don’t talk about it” brigade. But it’s a medical ethics case, an end of life protocol case.

Prurient “everything is going to come out about her” and “well she campaigned for this issue so every aspect of her life is fair game now” comments really leave a nasty taste.

I might disagree with her stance on this but she is a mum and a human being and it isn’t hard to empathise with her trauma is it? Why be so tabloid about it?

Have there been any posts on the group this morning? I would have thought the court would have concluded by now given the stay is only until 1 PM.

Why do you need to keep dragging it up again pages later? It almost looks like you have an agenda yourself. It was pages ago. I've left it there. You haven't.

Hinch imo those posts in the public posted by Dance herself are relevant. Not because what she's done in the past should in any way (and aren't) influence the decisions made.
But they give a very good insight into her life, frame of mind and why she's pursuing this.

You have to remember any posts being referred too have been put out there by her - therefore by her consent.

You couldn't search such details on me.

They said “spoke to her briefly”. I imagine she hung up on them or walked away when approached. So “no meeting” is probably also accurate. The hospital are in a really sticky wicket because she’s just not remotely receptive is she? It’s just a gulf.

Thank you for this link - that's a really helpful article from a well-respected legal writer.

This

And as I said, I left that behind pages ago. Perhaps other people would be mature enough to do the same now please.

@loislovesstewie Sorry for your loss, thank you for sharing how you felt.

I can see that argument but the problem is if you can’t repeat it all here (and I think I’m aware of some but not all of it) it just sounds like dark aspersion-casting.

Why not just park all that for now?

@Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious
The family put this into the public eye and continue to do so. I think it's terrible a mother would post pictures of her son in a nappy hooked up to machines and pose next to his body with thumbs up.
totally agree with this tbh.

And as I said, I left that behind pages ago. Perhaps other people would be mature enough to do the same now please.

Dont be silly. It was posted this morning. Two hours ago. Not two weeks or months. We can’t all read in real time. Many of us will be sticking out head in in our lunch breaks.

If you want it “left behind” then ask for it to be deleted. Otherwise, it’s part of the thread and pretty much current.

They presumably have to give each side time to put their arguments and the judges will take time to discuss their decision.

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · the only person who keeps bringing up the past now is you. There was mention of it further upthread but then the discussion moved on. You are the only one who now keeps referring to the bringing up of the past. Or are you trying to get the thread deleted?

It has also repeatedly been made clear that the UN made a 'request' which she still continues to insist to the media was an injunction. I think this is probably straying into territory she doesn't understand herself now.

I think that's because the CLC described it as an injunction, probably to make it look as if they had actually achieved something concrete.

whatsnew2day.com/archie-battersbees-mother-accuses-nhs-of-pursuing-choreographed-execution/

This kind of language needs to stop.