Archie Battersbee - Thread 3

[BongoJim]

Follow on from previous full thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4596573-archie-battersebee-case-thread-2?page=1

Why a "huge amount of time"? As the ECHR demonstrated with the Rwanda cases, they can move very quickly in an urgent case. In the Evans case they came back with a decision within three days.

Yes - fuelled by social media....

However the point still stands that in the most recent cases the result has been the same, which was to uphold the recommendations of the medical professionals acting in the patient's best interests.

As more of these cases are won/lost (depending on your perspective) it helps serve the narrative that hospitals only seek consent from the courts to withdraw treatment when there is a dispute in the cases they know the medical evidence is overwhelmingly in their favour.

Theoretically this should reduce the number of cases before the courts (and probably does) but you still cannot count against organisations like the CLC "cherry picking" cases they think might set legal precedents (such as a beating heart equals life and that having an impact on abortion rights) and also parents who in conjunction are manipulated by such organisations or through their own "anti establishment" stance (plus any other reason) pursue this course of action.

Which is exactly why when it does happen it's important that the family have been able to exhaust every legal avenue open to them and for the reasons why their case was not upheld to be in the public domain.

Backlogs aren't relevant with this type of case. The High Court and the Court of Appeal both have large backlogs, but as we have seen there's a system in place for urgent cases to jump the queue. The Rwanda cases demonstrate that the ECHR has a similar system.

Have we? The last major case was the Tafida Raqeeb one in 2019, three years ago, and that resulted in a decision against the hospital. Before that we had the Alfie Evans case, over four years ago. When.you think that end of life decisions are being taken every day all over the country for people of all ages, the cases which get as far as court proceedings are really very very few indeed.

Hope the OP doesn't mind but I've started a new thread here as this one will soon run out of space;

Archie Battersbee - Thread 4 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/inthee_news/4603503-archie-battersbee-thread-4

I know we can't discuss it here but I do feel the background picture explains a lot of the behaviour we are witnessing. Although I think she is now being driven by the LC, this is clearly someone with a long history of going to extraordinary lengths to garner media attention and who has proven not to be afraid of using their children to achieve that.

This is wherein think we know and have to empathise with Ms Dance. She is just in complete denial.

It's not going to matter now whats said because she just cannot believe it.

Over time she may become accepting.

But I'm terrified for her future mental health because it appears to she's one of these people that has an ingrained mistrust of authority.

It's just so sad for everyone involved.

@Isausernameavailable it won't be obvious if a child dies because of the lack of the paediatric intensive care bed Archie is occupying but it's possible. Bed managers would step a child down from ITU earlier than they would want to (putting that child at a degree of risk) to make space for another child with a more urgent need. They would also delay a child's surgery if they know an ITC bed will be needed and is not available, increasing risks for that child.

As expected :
Archie Battersbee: Parents to take case to European Court of Human Rights

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62403993

Yes. Or transfer any children that Rick up in A&E out. To the nearest available bed. Not unknown for it to be in Glasgow! Or once the nearest PICU bed was in France!

Come over to Thread 4

This is being discussed on Radio 2.

It is utterly heartbreaking, but Archie needs to be let go of now. Someone described this as abuse of corpse on FB, and while it's a horrible way to describe it, they're not entirely wrong.

The appeal has been denied, just announced on BBC.

Everybody is criticising Hollie for uploading everything to her social media platform,
thats the Society we live in and have chosen to Exhibit the most personal of things, that when somebody is within sane minds would think twice about!
this is her child she is clearly not thinking straight, she is expressing her anger and sadness in light of hope.. shes venting everywhere because perhaps shes in denial , how would you react if it was you walking in her shoes.. the brain and when its trying to comprehend severe trauma will work against you and make you act out in strange ways.. things later she may regret.. a mothers instinct will make you fight every avenue and its probably something she will never accept..
she needs someone maybe her own mother to step in put her arms around her and help her let him go.
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Can someone link thread 4 please?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4603503-archie-battersbee-thread-4?page=40&reply=119001163

here you go!

Thanks! It appears we’re on thread 5 though now? 😂😂

Well that's that then. :-(

I wonder which Sunday rag will get an exclusive tomorrow.

Why has it be deleted.

Sal

Take it everyone has moved to kiwi then

Sal

They are all on thread 6

Thread 6 has been deleted

Latest thread deleted and no new one that I can see.

A new one might be zapped too though. God bless you Archie x