Archie Battersbee - Thread 3

[BongoJim]

Follow on from previous full thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4596573-archie-battersebee-case-thread-2?page=1

The court previously gave a stay of execution. I wonder if that's where the execution wording comes from - she's confused by the legal term?

Hm she's also referred to it as murder, and is being heavily advised by the CLC on what to say, so I imagine it isn't just confusion.

I hope the withdrawal of treatment proceeds today and he is at peace soon

I may be imagining it as read on way home last night from work.
A DM article that said it's the infusions that will be stopped at 2pm not the ventilator. And only immediate family will be allowed in. And that this angered the family , as relatives were flying in today to see Archie .

Will search for it again

No it isn’t. There have been lots of these types of cases. It’s sad for the family but nothing out of the ordinary legally at all.

The hospital will allow anyone the family wish to have present.

Found it and the hospital letter. Sorry if already posted before

Should know more soon I imagine

rozenberg.substack.com/p/last-minute-hearing-in-archie-case

this is a really good article explaining the court hearing today. Joshua Rozenburg thinks the court might find the convention doesn’t apply to Archie and refuse a further stay

i hope the mother can be given some time without press intrusion

Withdrawing life support is not a drawn-out process generally. From the infusions being withdrawn to the ventilation being stopped is a matter of minutes. Maybe 30 minutes at most.

It’s the papers which have painted this as some long drawn-out process. It can be, e.g. in this case to allow for the family to have more time, but it doesn’t have to be.

When my dp’s brother died they were called to the hospital at around 9:30, were given time to say goodbye and then the life support was removed. They were out of the hospital by 11, and that allowed for them speaking to the consultant, giving the nurses time to clean him up before, as he had soiled himself etc, and for the vent to be removed.

Once the life support was turned off he died within about a minute.

The hospital will allow anyone the family wish to have present. based on the types of people the family are engaging with, I doubt that would be the case here.

The hospital aren’t going to allow any CLC members in there who could disrupt things further. Remember they also have other patients to consider.

With regards to searching Miss Dance history on SM I don't think it's something people should get all get up about.

She has chosen to have such a public persona. She has chosen to go the media many times in the past. She made her own choices about her history of behaviour that landed her in the public eye.

She chooses to post what she does on the internet such as instagram and FB public pages.

If I was ever in the same circumstance no one would be able to make the same comments because the information just isn't there.

I really do feel for her as it's very clear Archie has been her whole life and she's championed him through thick and thin.

I just hope whatever decision is made today she can make peace with it and make peace with the fact Archie won't make a full recovery however long she gives it. And he's even medically gone beyond the point of being severely disabled.

Just a hunch but I have a feeling she may seek out the press rather than avoid their intrusion.

I haven't previously commented on this very sorry saga , but this is what happened to my DH.
In January, we found him unresponsive, he had been by himself for less than 10 minutes,he wasn't breathing and there was no pulse. Paramedics were despatched and I did CPR. Despite their efforts, it was clear to me that the situation was hopeless. I haven't said this to anyone, but after a while I wanted to tell the paramedics to stop. I felt that if he was 'revived' he would only be a shadow of himself. He had been very active with lots of interests that took him all over the country, and I knew that he would have hated being stuck in the house, maybe incapacitated. Fortunately, I had to say nothing as one of the paramedics , who had been telling me what they were doing throughout, said very gently that they had done everything, and he had to be allowed to go,in actual fact he was dead.
Of course, these circumstances aren't the same , but I am just trying to say that we might ,any of us, be in this situation. Death comes to all of us , some sooner and in different circumstances, but we all need to recognize that medicine can only do so much and really prepare for that when we are alive. I understand a little of the guilt his mum feels, wondering if things could have been different, but that doesn't impinge on the facts. Sadly, Archie is dead , nothing will bring him back and allowing others to give her false hope, is, in my mind, criminal.
I hope I haven't derailed the thread , I just wish I could his mum that her feelings are normal,but she has to let go.

Blackout challenges existed way before SM and tik tok.

We had one when I was at senior school in the 90's. We were told straight out anyone caught trying it would be excluded.

Didn't stop us though 🙄🤔

I really don't think at that age you can fully see the risks that these challenges impose even if you know they can exist.

Having said that I will await the inquest as I'm curious about any evidence pointing towards this being a challenge.

@MayThe4th
I vaguely remember from my time working as a hca on adult icu.
The infusion stopped and then airway removed.
Sometimes we put on nasal cannula , most patients died quickly.
Others lasted longer.

We had a case similar to this in our trust. Security had to be at the doors checking our ID when we entered. Family angry at us and accusing us of all sorts. We ended up calling icu /neuro consultants from other trusts to speak to the relatives.
They just couldn't and wouldn't believe that hours before this patient had been going about their daily chores to death so quick.

@loislovesstewie I'm so sorry.

I'm more surprised that he's 'progressing' after being brain steam dead and not regaining consciousness for 3 months. It's statements like that which make me think she must be seeing something completely different when she is posting pictures online of him in his current condition.

I've been thinking about this and how her wording changes dependent on the audience.

This is where I think she is actually "stuck" between wanting to accept the girth and knowing the truth and wanting to believe what those pushing her to fight are saying and the fear if she doesn't repeat what they are telling her to say then they'll back away - Archie has been her life. I think she knows she's losing him and is afraid to lose his army too.

I think that's why so many questions members asked were left unanswered and anyone who mentioned the court case and how it had been accepted he was gone posts were deleted and assume members gone. Goes against the narrative she has created and would no doubt feel she would lose support from some of them if she showed acceptance. Just seems odd that all those posts got gone..despite it being all there on the video

I agree. It has also repeatedly been made clear that the UN made a 'request' which she still continues to insist to the media was an injunction. I think this is probably straying into territory she doesn't understand herself now.

When I watch interviews like this i just see a broken mum but one who ain't use to others telling her what she can and can't do.

Nothing she says about compassion etc is beyond what anyone expects.

But she seems to think compassion should be one sided.

I knew someone just like her once. They are scarily manipulative.

The vague insinuations about the mum’s “background” and “past” are in such poor taste. Really foul.

agree,
can we behave compassionately

You obviously haven't read any of the previous threads with links provided then. Any opinion on those too are are you just derailling this one?