Archie Battersbee - Thread 3

[BongoJim]

Follow on from previous full thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4596573-archie-battersebee-case-thread-2?page=1

I do not agree with her actions in any way shape or form ,but she's a grieving mother ,you can have sympathy with the parents whilst at the same time disagreeing with them.

What has stood out to me in her interviews is about the "anxiety in my chest", and how the NHS is making her feel. It should not be about her. She is not the patient. She can not keep her son in the state he is in to make herself feel better, or because she feels she can not go home to an empty house.

Sorry it wasn't today's ruling I think it was the second one. I read them all todaym

How do you know she's not educated? On what basis have you come to that conclusion? Is she not speaking posh enough? Should she be wearing Boden to garner more sympathy on here?

My heart goes out to Hollie and her family. It's absolutely devastating. She's doing what she feels in her heart is the right thing to do, no one here knows how they would truly act in this situation unless they've been there.

Tonight, Christian Concern, which has been supporting the legal action by Archie's parents, said the Royal London Hospital had given the family until 9am tomorrow morning to file with the European Convention on Human Rights, otherwise the 11am deadline will be honoured

Oh..so another appeal another day? Seems likely they will

Can anybody explain why they can't do the brain stem death test? I asked earlier but it immediately got bumped to the next page.

Askitaliano
You need to take a step back and consider what you are saying. I have reported your post.

Agree. As I’ve said earlier on the thread, I have sympathy for her as a parent losing her child. But her actions in the past week have absolutely robbed me of any remaining sympathy. I’m gobsmacked by her.

She is portraying herself as the victim, while claiming Archie is soon to be the victim of a murder.

I thought his parents refused ro let the doctors do this which is why it went to Court in the first place

Cool? MN deletions on the Archie threads are like wildfire. Regardless of your report my comments will be taken down as soon as they see them. Still needs to be said.

askitaliano
Why does it 'need' to be said?

That's a good call.

I think people not involved so far would be best. Both for the hospital staff and the family.

Also children can be transferred to a hospice after death for the family to spend time with them.

I know many cases where this has been done and families have really benefited from that time and the care and counselling the hospice can provide for the parent rather than the child.

They wouldn't but the court ordered it and then they weren't able to do it anyway. In the ruling it says it would have produced a false negative as they couldn't complete the precursor (which involved nerves).

I was wondering what this actually means.

Thank you. By and large, the families of my patients are reasonable and understand the situation. But there are the occasional ones who think death is optional and a failure of medical treatment rather than the natural end-point of a terminal illness. They tend to be the very same ones who ‘won’t be told what to do’ and who challenge every little thing, with Dr Google as their informant.

It’s a very sad situation all around but he needs to be at peace now ) I would of done the same for my boy) spend your last few hours with him.

Is it not possible that transporting Archie’s body would risk really damaging it after the deterioration in how condition? I know some would say it doesn’t matter after death but it would matter the the majority of families. I can see why that would work after a death where the person’s body is still relatively robust. I’m confident all of the available support, practical and emotional, will be being provided. The hospital do this every day.

No, they intervened to argue that any UN measures are not binding.

I remember the consultants being taken aback when we had the conversation about switching off life support for my mum when I was in my early twenties. They said it was quite rare for families to properly listen to their advice and go with it. Many insisted they knew best and that it would be better to keep treatment going.

one thing they did brilliantly was make it crystal clear they weren’t handing the decision to me. It was a joint decision with my input taken into account, but ultimately they would do what was best for the patient in their care. It was a relief to know that it wasn’t ‘my’ decision, though I’d have made it even if that were the case. I wonder if medics sometimes don’t explain that thoroughly enough which leads to a lot of guilt for families believing they ‘pulled the plug’.

Agree. As I’ve said earlier on the thread, I have sympathy for her as a parent losing her child. But her actions in the past week have absolutely robbed me of any remaining sympathy. I’m gobsmacked by her.

I agree @AskItaliano her comments about executing her child are too far. She's not an inspirational mother fighting for her child, to me, shes a disgrace for those comments. She should be bloody grateful the NHS gave as much time as it did when the situation was never going to change.

That's true.

My mums won't 13 days in hospital wanting to come home or to a hospice. She knew she had limited time and there was nothing they could do for her. The cancer was terminal. She couldn't eat or drink (or wasn't meant to 🤣 but they didn't stop her because who denies a dying woman food and drink?!)

She can him and had hospice at home care and went in a week after coming home.

She does 6 days later.

You could see her wasting away and losing her muscle mass. She lost other functions too and her heart beat for 36 hours after she slipped into what I guess you'd call a coma.

She was fitfull in sleep and maybe could hear us or sense our presence.

But we asked for as much sedation as needed and morphine as could be given to make sure she was comfortable as we had no idea if she was in pain. We also knew the effect of sedation on breathing but what was the point of breaths at this point for her when she'd left us functionally?

They still turned her to prevent sores and spoke to her when ever they would come in.

It was so dignified yet distressing for us and the hospice staff couldn't have been more caring.

I know Ms Dance is completely distressed and unable to accept the reality of Archie's situation. But I can't understand how she cannot see the truth and don't believe she genuinely believes they are trying to murder him. She's being exploited by people with an agenda and listening to the wrong people.

We all have our opinions but just like arseholes not everyone wants to see them

Please remember there is a grieving mother involved. You may not agree with her actions, I don’t, but you’re going too far

Which of course will be delayed.

In the SkyNews interview they asked her if this was the end of the legal line , she said there was one more option

Either an appeal ,
Archie is moved
She will have an episode of illness
or she's going to disrupt the withdrawel

I’m confident all of the available support, practical and emotional, will be being provided. The hospital do this every day.

Surely the point is that his family do not feel this way. It is great that you are confident, but actually it is nothing to do with you at all. You also seem unable to tell me why you need to say that this child's mother shouldn't be allowed to call herself a mother and other very unpleasant comments about her intelligence.