Page 34 | Archie Battersbee - Thread 3

BongoJim · 2022-07-31T21:06:56+00:00

Follow on from previous full thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4596573-archie-battersebee-case-thread-2?page=1

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BongoJim · 02/08/2022 19:11

XenoBitch · 02/08/2022 19:10

I hope it goes ahead, and Archie is finally laid to rest.

Sadly, I think we will see another 11th hour appeal, and another stay that will be a cycle that is repeated until Archie's body gives up by itself.

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Totally. European court of Human rights next.

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knickersniff · 02/08/2022 19:11

It's so tragic their is no winners in this . I don't think a hospice is possible he won't make the journey to the door . He's not dying he's already gone ..
It's a desperate situation for Hollie and although I don't agree with these last few days I've also not lived through this situation so I would possibly do the same . If only for the fact that if he's in a hospital bed he's present and to his family that's everything.

Badger1970 · 02/08/2022 19:15

So now they've got until 9am to submit the paperwork to the hospital for moving to a hospice, and they'd already asked for additional time..................

Here we go again.

SunsetandCupcakes · 02/08/2022 19:16

fizzywat · 02/08/2022 18:26

I am trying to imagine how other parents feel who have made the decision to end life support on the advice of the medics and out of love for the dignity of their child.

Sadly I can answer this.

I feel relieved that my husband and I were strong enough in the worst of times to do what was best for our son.
Our son woke up as normal one Saturday morning and yet by the afternoon he was on life support, the hospital managed to get his heart beating but it was the ventilator that kept him 'alive.' He wasn't moving he was just lying there-artificially kept not kept alive, just kept.

I am religious, but it was clear that whilst God had taken him and modern medicine was not prolonging life or preventing death but rather forcing us all into a perverse purgatory.

My biggest fear was that he was in pain, that story about the girl in America is terrifying, that isn't living, poor Archie isn't living. We have become cocooned in our western world, devoid of reality, medicine is not magic.

Thegroaninggurner · 02/08/2022 19:18

DatingIsDifficult · 02/08/2022 16:36

I’ve asked this a couple of times but I didn’t see anyone replying to it. I took that to mean he’s taken a backseat in all this, he’s not put himself out there. Maybe he knows exactly what’s going on but is trying to not stir things up with his ex, Hollie? It’s his son too but I doubt I’d be fighting much if I could see the pain my ex was in in this situation.

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Perhaps he is aware of the reality of the situation and wants his son to go peacefully, I know when my brother was dying the medics said to my mother and father that they were going to lose him and anymore transfusions would be futile, my mother and father had a huge argument because my mum wanted them to carry on and my father wanted to let him go peacefully they argued about it for a longtime after.

bloodyplanes · 02/08/2022 19:18

This all seems to be about Hollie needing to be in control of everything. She absolutely must have the final say no matter the cost to Archie or anyone else. She very much comes across like she can't stand the fact that because she didn't and doesn't make the best decisions regarding Archie the decisions have now been taken out of her hands. She is clearly not an educated woman and is being egged on by other uninformed people and the odious christian groups. I feel for her as a mother but her actions have been and continue to be abhorrent.

PomRuns · 02/08/2022 19:21

I am so sorry for your loss @SunsetandCupcakes

Butterflyfluff · 02/08/2022 19:22

SunsetandCupcakes · 02/08/2022 19:16

Sadly I can answer this.

I feel relieved that my husband and I were strong enough in the worst of times to do what was best for our son.
Our son woke up as normal one Saturday morning and yet by the afternoon he was on life support, the hospital managed to get his heart beating but it was the ventilator that kept him 'alive.' He wasn't moving he was just lying there-artificially kept not kept alive, just kept.

I am religious, but it was clear that whilst God had taken him and modern medicine was not prolonging life or preventing death but rather forcing us all into a perverse purgatory.

My biggest fear was that he was in pain, that story about the girl in America is terrifying, that isn't living, poor Archie isn't living. We have become cocooned in our western world, devoid of reality, medicine is not magic.

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That is such an incredibly sad and yet beautiful post sunset.

If only other parents had your courage ❤️

fizzywat · 02/08/2022 19:23

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I am so sorry. I don't know you obviously but like any human with a shred of empathy I can only imagine your grief. Dignified grief I am sure too. Bless you or whatever salute you think is appropriate.

GreatBigExpectations · 02/08/2022 19:23

If a member of staff caring for the poor boy had even the teeniest element of doubt about withdrawing treatment, they would have spoken up and they would have been listened to. The staff care for people who die all the time, they know he is essentially no longer there.

whilst I really feel for his family, as a fellow hcp, I know the staff will be absolutely devastated at everything that has happened during this case. I hope they manage to find some comfort in the fact that they did what was right for Archie, not what was easiest.

SunsetandCupcakes · 02/08/2022 19:24

Sorry that wasn't clear.

I believe that God chooses when people die, God took my son, it was man who refused to accept it.

That's rather simplistic but I don't understand how God can be used as a reason to continue artifical maintenance of life when it is doctors keeping them alive. If God wanted him to stay alive then they would when the machines are turned off.

knickersniff · 02/08/2022 19:24

Badger1970 · 02/08/2022 19:15

So now they've got until 9am to submit the paperwork to the hospital for moving to a hospice, and they'd already asked for additional time..................

Here we go again.

Which they will and if it gets passed it'll be the start of the end .

Slingsanderrors · 02/08/2022 19:27

@sammylady37
thank you for all you do. I was a ward sister on what was called a psychogeriatric ward in the early 1980’s. I’ve experienced similar situations to you. It’s so stressful and I really feel for the staff in this case.

fizzywat · 02/08/2022 19:28

SunsetandCupcakes · 02/08/2022 19:16

Sadly I can answer this.

I feel relieved that my husband and I were strong enough in the worst of times to do what was best for our son.
Our son woke up as normal one Saturday morning and yet by the afternoon he was on life support, the hospital managed to get his heart beating but it was the ventilator that kept him 'alive.' He wasn't moving he was just lying there-artificially kept not kept alive, just kept.

I am religious, but it was clear that whilst God had taken him and modern medicine was not prolonging life or preventing death but rather forcing us all into a perverse purgatory.

My biggest fear was that he was in pain, that story about the girl in America is terrifying, that isn't living, poor Archie isn't living. We have become cocooned in our western world, devoid of reality, medicine is not magic.

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I have no words apart from deepest sympathy on your devastating loss. I hope you find some peace.

Inspiring and beautiful post.

AskItaliano · 02/08/2022 19:29

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XenoBitch · 02/08/2022 19:29

Badger1970 · 02/08/2022 19:15

So now they've got until 9am to submit the paperwork to the hospital for moving to a hospice, and they'd already asked for additional time..................

Here we go again.

There can be a wait for a bed in a hospice. Isn't Archie too unstable to even leave his room?
I can not see any hospice accepting him tbh. His care needs are far too high.
I am also confused about the legal aspects too. The courts have ordered the withdrawal of his life support. Hospices are run by charities... would a court order still apply in such an environment? Or would the family still resist it even then?

Sorry if my questions are dumb. I have no idea about these these things but the only stupid questions are the ones not asked.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 02/08/2022 19:29

i was thinking along similar lines @Eeksteek

MrsLargeEmbodied · 02/08/2022 19:30

please dont talk that way @AskItaliano

exnewwifeproblems · 02/08/2022 19:31

I am so sorry @SunsetandCupcakes

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 02/08/2022 19:33

you are going too far @AskItaliano

AskItaliano · 02/08/2022 19:33

MrsLargeEmbodied · 02/08/2022 19:30

please dont talk that way @AskItaliano

It is genuinely abhorrent that she has used disability and religious rights to try and get her own way, at the expense of her son’s dignity. Accusing medical staff who’ve cared for him for months of executing him. If my comments are deleted so be it, I understand MN tread very carefully. But it needs to be said, many, many people are thinking the same.

AskItaliano · 02/08/2022 19:34

MrsLargeEmbodied · 02/08/2022 19:33

you are going too far @AskItaliano

Perhaps. I’m furious at what this woman is doing and has done to her poor son. May Archie rest in peace.

Pansypotter123 · 02/08/2022 19:36

Can I ask the medics on here - how long could Archie stay on life support/medical intervention as he is now? Is that indefinite or could he "die" regardless of ventilation and other interventions? Sorry if this has been asked previously.

Miffee · 02/08/2022 19:36

Just wanted to ask a question, apologies in advance as I am sure it's been answered but with all the threads I couldn't find it.

I read the court rulings today and they said that the brain stem death test could not be completed as it would produce a false negative due to not being able to complete the precursor (something to do with nerves? I am going from memory).

I was wondering if somebody could explain the biology of this in layman's terms?