Archie Battersbee - Thread 3

[BongoJim]

Follow on from previous full thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4596573-archie-battersebee-case-thread-2?page=1

The CLC can't lodge an appeal on their own. They have no standing to do so. The parents must consent.

If the Supreme Court says no, the ECHR is their only remaining avenue.

Dear god. Poor boy.
And I hope the medical staff aren't traumatised by this it's going to stay with them forever they must be exhausted with it all.

The neonatologist has the wrong clinical picture. He is unlikely to have used this assessment in practice, no one syringes cold fluid into newborn babies’ ears.

The spinal cord is still part of the central nervous system. Archie had peripheral motor nerve testing done before the motor withdrawal test. Peripheral nerves communicate with muscles via chemical transmitters, this is unaffected by the central nervous system. This is the preliminary test that was failed.

It’s relevant in the ICU settling because some of the paralysing drugs prevent the communication from peripheral motor nerve to muscle.

Of course, these were well out of his system by the time testing was done

of course she will consent, she is desperate for whatever reasons to delay the inevitable. The CLC is playing on that desperation. Thats what I find despicable

If the Supreme Court says no, the ECHR is their only remaining avenue

Thanks for the clarification, prh47bridge, and yes that's how I understood it

And I still believe it could easily happen, if only as a delaying tactic ...

People are taking back their go fund me donations!?

And she's posting about it? Literally minutes after life support was due to be removed?

It must be hard for them not knowing if today is the day or not. Especially the ones who have worker closely with him and involved in his care.

All seems a delay tactic. The timing makes it so obvious.

Yep. Life support isn't going to be removed now that they've waited until the last minute to submit their application to appeal to the Supreme Court. Well, it will, but not this hour anyway probably not even today.

Is it going to go on forever? Just appeal after appeal after appeal?

The spinal cord is still part of the central nervous system. Archie had peripheral motor nerve testing done before the motor withdrawal test. Peripheral nerves communicate with muscles via chemical transmitters, this is unaffected by the central nervous system. This is the preliminary test that was failed

Also - the peripheral nerve test that he had done doesn’t look for movement - absolutely that could be absent in spinal cord damage. It looks for electrical signals in the peripheral nerves. Central injuries shouldn’t affect this.

That'll be tomorrows rigmarole. Might give them another day or two. Then Hollie might have some kind of health scare to buy another bit of time.

The reaction of the UN may be interesting. I do feel that if they want any say in decisions of this type they need to set up a fast track procedure, otherwise their involvement becomes potentially very harmful.

i cant believe theres another request i mean i can but so close to the time of withdrawal why wasnt it done first thing

I thought they tried the ECHR and they refused to take the case? Or did I make that up/read misinformation?

The later it's done the more time is stalled.

Incase they said it has to go ahead maybe? Not sure how quickly they respond.
Leaving it late means can't happen at the proposed time and guess can't happen today at all.

Because it's being used purely as a stalling mechanism, not because it's actually going to change the outcome. Almost an attempt to frustrate the process even though it still ends the same way.

No, they didn't. They went to the UN instead because they recognised that the EHCR was basically never going to say anything different from what they said in the Gard and Evans cases. As pointed out, that may not stop them from going now simply to buy more time.

The dreadful reality of this is that the CLC are desperate to buy time so that Archie dies, they hope, a horrible, chaotic but "natural" death rather than having a peaceful, planned withdrawal of artificial breathing support. And they think that's Christian.

Maybe there needs to be some ruling about life support withdrawal dates and times being always set at least 5/6 days ahead (or similar) AND launching of appeals to stop it only being allowed up until 48 hours before the date and time of withdrawal (or similar). So there is a definite LAST appeal.

Otherwise it's ground hog day.

And that's what has been fought for. The family want him to pass on his own time not a time given to them. They know what been said it'll happen..but least if a set time everyone who needs to be there can.

From what's been said*

So are they saying they just prefer to wait until his organs and blood results fail completely and then his heart gives up and he suffers a cardiac arrest

No. Contrary to what some are saying on here, Holly Dance appears to genuinely believe he is going to get better. According to the BBC, she has today said, ""I know Archie's still with us. He's very much there, he's progressing in so many ways."

what a sad case ... must be so difficult for a mum to accept that their boy the way they know him is compltely gone and shes desperate to bring him back despite everyone saying it wont happen.