Archie Battersbee - Thread 3

[BongoJim]

Follow on from previous full thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4596573-archie-battersebee-case-thread-2?page=1

Totally pedantic aside on DFA. I wish they wouldn't keep referring to court transcripts when they mean published judgments. A court transcript would be the written version of everything said in court. The judgments, with the exception of yesterday's which was extempore, have all been carefully composed in writing and are simply read out, and obviously don't reflect any mistakes that might be made in reading them. So what is published isn't a transcript.

One problem that arises from this is that their readers sometimes seem to think that the judgements contain an account of absolutely everything that has been raised in the documents or said in court, and by definition they simply can't.

I'm baffled by what you're trying to argue @Quia ?

I'm not saying journalists have access to all of Archie's medical reports (a point which has been laboured) however, they do have enough information to not solely rely on Hollie's reports.

You think the media have accurately reported on this case, and done enough to combat the misinformation the family/CLC have claimed?

BBC reporting that the family has lodged an appeal to the Supreme Court

This was always highly likely.

To be more precise, they have applied to the Supreme Court for leave to appeal

they have applied to the Supreme Court for leave to appeal

Oh dear
Presumably timed in such a way as to delay things yet another day?

How many more appeals can they have
At what point will all routes of appeal be exhausted ?

How long is it likely to be before the Supreme Court responds?

I'd hope they'd reply quickly and say no. How many appeals can there realistically be?

Shes posting on the Facebook group but nothing is actually showing up...guess a update?

"The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom has today, 2nd August 2022, received a Permission to Appeal (PTA) application in the case of Archie Battersbee. A panel of three Justices will consider the application for permission to appeal ‘on paper’, in the usual way." Coming from outlets on Twitter

I have no idea but I'm hoping this is it. They need to stop being able to continually appeal.

This has long ago stopped being about Archie. They (the clc) deliberately waited until the last moment to lodge that so that withdrawal would be delayed. If they had lodged it yesterday then there would have been time to refuse and withdrawal would have gone ahead as planned.

@LetsGoFlyAKiteee no it's about go fund me refunding people, because Hollie wants it to stay in the go fund me account but the person who arranged the raffle has asked for all the money she raised to be returned to her.

Simply that you said the court documents are in the public domain, including the medical reports. As I think you acknowledge, in fact they aren't. The only documents that are are the judgments.

Oh wow. Today doesn't seem like the right time!

So what happens now with the appeal..they look at it and if turned down another time and date is set? This must be messing with the families mind so much in a way. Know they're the ones doing the appealing it but you give yourself hope and dashed..hope and dashed..

@LetsGoFlyAKiteee I edited out the ladies name

I,m appalled honestly, twice now his mother has had to watch preparations made for withdrawal, with all the mental stress that causes, only for the CLC to do a last-minute appeal, that's cruel beyond belief to put her through that just for their own agenda. I don't agree with Hollies actions but no one deserves that amount of mental torture

I wouldn't put it past CLC to put in an application to the EHRC at the last minute, even though they know it's hopeless, simply to buy more time.

It is farcical now. It’s drawing out everyone’s distress and making things worse for Hollie. They are absolute cunts.

I've seen on here a few times that the reason the nerve testing couldn't be done to confirm brain death was because Archie was 'too dead'. This isn't the case - the problem is that he also has spinal cord damage, so there would be no way to tell if a lack of response to nerve testing was due to brain death or the spinal cord damage.

That's why MRIs were used instead, but it is not as straightforward to conclude brain death this way and doctors have to have zero doubt. That is why this is a complicated case and why it keeps ending up back in court.

www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comment-on-the-news-that-the-court-of-appeal-has-sent-the-case-of-archie-battersbee-back-to-the-high-court/

Presumably this is happening at her request though?

Don't know but I imagine they will get a decision as quickly as they can.

I very much doubt that CLC did any of that without fully involving the family and explaining that the application is virtually bound to fail. They can't lodge any applications in the parents' names without their permission.

How many more appeals can they have

There's still the ECHR, who AFAIK haven't been approached yet because the decisions they made in previous cases weren't to the parents' taste

However if it's a matter of creating deliberate delays they may well do it yet - unless some feature of our own system means they're blocked from doing this, which is beyond my knowledge