Archie Battersbee - Thread 3

[BongoJim]

Follow on from previous full thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4596573-archie-battersebee-case-thread-2?page=1

And every time they give any kind of leeway there is yet another appeal, which they allow, and then they delay the withdrawal a bit longer,and then there’s another appeal.

The court process at this point has been totally meaningless.

Appealing seems pointless at this stage. Unless something major different is presented I can't see the outcome being different. Gives her more time but if she's in court that's time away from him. Lucky he hasn't passed by himself really without them being there

They haven't been to the Supreme Court about this particular issue, however.

This is madness.

How can the parents bear it?

Another time set for tomorrow, another potential hearing in the morning?

Actually I think it’s kind of necessary that they are allowed to exhaust the process if that’s what they’re intent on. Not ideal at all and I wish for everyone’s sakes they would stop now, but if exhausting the process is what it takes for justice to be seen to be done, then so be it.

Given the reason for the previous appeal is it not possible the supreme court may dismiss any further appeals because the outcome is still the same?

Hollie made several references to the anxiety she was suffering ( interview this morning about 7am) , anxiety in her chest .

Then she did an interview for BBC4

And there's a planned interview with Jeremy Kyle on TalkTV at 6pm.

It would really really be in her est interest to cancel the Kyle interview , the stress might be harmful to her (is she prophesising that like Paul she is going to have an episode of stress induced ill health ? )
Talking to JK , she's likely to blow a gasket

They'd need to do it quickly 😬

The wording only speaks of the possibility of supreme court. They may not actually be given a hearing if any further appeals are dismissed.

Let's hope the Supreme Court appeal is refused.
Horrific case and I feel hugely for the family but this serves nobody least of all that poor boy-I hope they take some time privately now to grieve and absorb the realities here.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62376552

I hope now the poor lad can rest in peace, dragging this out any longer and going on chat shows etc is helping no-one. She should spend the last few moments with her son, not Jezza Kyle.

I completely agree they should have checked the letter properly, but I don't see how you can deduce that they haven't been acting compassionately just from that alone. Hollie herself keeps saying that the nurses and most of the doctors have been wonderful.

From what I can see, they really have been going above and beyond to keep Archie going. The whole process is really on a knife edge - they may work like Trojans to get the right balance with one system, only for something else to give up or deteriorate and throw all their calculations out. They're giving 24 hour care which involves multiple interventions and dedicating a very expensive ICU room and bed to him. On top of dealing with all the grief from AA and accusations of being murderers and executioners. They could well have been less careful and just allowed him to deteriorate so much that all of this might have been over weeks ago, but they haven't done that.

However many interviews she does will not change the decision of the Court.

I can't fathom why she'd want to be spending time doing anything other than being with Archie at this point.

I genuinely hope she's not being influenced by CLC to do these interviews.

it sounds like the end of the road has been reached. according to bbc news i have just watched.

Think been given permission to appeal to the supreme Court...

She’s going to be known as the mother that did a Jeremy Kyle interview instead of spending the last moments with her dying son.

In a year or so time she is going to be so ashamed of her actions. And it’s the fault of those disgusting groups taking advantage of a mothers instinct to keep her child alive at any cost.

People absorb these ideas and tropes from pop culture; That in a crisis, publicity matters, for example. The McCanns fell victim to the same instinct. It must be hard to think straight when you’re extremely distressed, even for educated people who deal with emergencies at work.

Ah no , I was roundabout clumsily musing that as she has reached the end of the cul-de-sac maybe the only thing that would stop the withdrawel is if SHE was in hospital herself .
They are not going to be a callous as to switch everything off if she is too ill to be there herself .
Maybe she sees it as the only way (and she can blame the sress on the way she's been treated )

I wonder how many times she'll mention her stress and her anxiety if she goes on JK ?
I mean she can do the interview from Archies bedside so still be with him (as she claims she never leaves his side )

Permission to appeal declined but they can appeal directly is what's being reported.

Sir Andrew McFarlane, presiding over the case at the Court of Appeal, said the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, which the UN committee based its request on, is an "unincorporated international treaty".

He said: "It is not part of the law of the United Kingdom... and it is not appropriate for this court to apply an unincorporated international treaty into its decision-making process."

"Every day that (Archie) continues to be given life-sustaining treatment is contrary to his best interests and, so, a stay, even for a short time, is against his best interests," he added.

Sir Andrew said Archie's case was "stark" as "his system, his organs and, ultimately, his heart are in the process of closing down".

Sky News

AFAIK the hospital would legally be obliged to comply with the Court, even if Hollie could not/refused to be there.

I've not seen anything about the Supreme Court yet, but if they choose to go that route it's because they have a legal right to do so.

As pp's have said, whilst people may not agree with that course of action, it's important that justice is not only done but seen to be done.

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Archie’s parents have been refused permission to appeal to the
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but they can ask that court for permission at a hearing expected tomorrow.

I agree with the poster who said that we aren't used to children dying these days. Until recently in human history, families would have been used to the young dying and would have been distraught but accepting of the death of a young person, now it feels that we don't understand that sadly medicine can only go so far. Keeping oxygen in the body to allow the heart to breathe isn't living. And also of course there are those who 'wake up' from comas apparently and continue with their lives , which really gives false hope in cases like this.
Sadly, I think that instead of relying on medical knowledge, this case has been hijacked for other purposes. I spent about 30 minutes looking at other cases that this religious group have assisted in taking to court and,quite frankly, I was shocked by the thinking behind them. I could say more but won't .

I'm utterly bemused by what that actually means....