Pro-paedophilia campaigner locked up - too blinking right!!!

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so they want to 'help' paedophiles?give them therapy to stop them finding children sexually attractive?

next it will be 'they are mentally ill,and have no control over what they are doing.with some support and rehab they will be able to be allowed into the community again'

bullshit do-gooder crap.they should pay for the crimes they have committed by being locked up forever.they are not human,they shouldnt have any rights.they have no place in our society.

How on earth do you keep your knucles free of scrapes??

wtf?

After all of that dragging along the floor you obviously do.

oh sorry i didnt realise paedos used this site,i wouldnt have said anyhting offensive about them if i'd known

RoyKeane - broke anyones legs so far this evening?

No, but I think I may have discovered my next victim.....

If you really have an opinion on something, then why cant you post without this wierd alter-ego thing going on - cos it kind of detracts from what you're saying.

And if you have no 'real' thoughts on anything then it begs the question as to why you choose to interact with others on a forum.

have i missed something?

Not really DS - i just find Roykeane a bit of an oddball.

ah yes have just done a search.

name changer or troll?

Troll....i hope.

RoyKeane's interventions aside.. If we locked up 'forever' anyone with a caution or a conviction for any sex offence against children, or downloading, or 'grooming'..then we'd have to suspend the economy. Build extra prisons. Reduce expenditure on all other public services. Assume that fear would reduce the incidence of abuse.(which it clearly doesn't). Lock up the innocent forever as well as the guilty. Have significant managerial problems in the prisons. Split families up 'forever'.

I agree with Pan.

And as Pan points out, they are human beings. This is what makes dealing with them so hard.

Treating human beings (however unspeakable they are) as non-humans puts you in really uncomfortable company, historically speaking.

I think that you have to reserve sentences with life meaning life for paedophiles who have actually killed. Britain got rid of the death penalty for good reason.

If the punishment for raping a child is too severe then the paedophile has nothing to lose by deciding not to kill the child.

Its really hard, because anyone who has commited a serious offence against a child is dangerous. Prehaps this is a mattter for judges to decide the jail sentence for individual cases.

i find it very strange that people can talk about the 'human rights' of paedophiles.im sorry,but if people are starting to have that attitude,then it wont be long before paedophilia becomes acceptable.after all,its not their fault they are sexually attracted to children,maybe we just have to accept that there are people like that in the world and let them get on with it,eh?

pan,you strike me as somebody who's read too many text books and spent very little time in the real world.

I agree with Pan and welliemum. Custodial sentences and keeping children safe from abuse has to go hand in hand with rehabilitation of those paedophiles who do want to change their behaviour and do realise that what they have done/want to do is wrong.
I guess part of the problem is that CBT, as used successfully in Denmark, is expensive.
David Joy is an unrepentant criminal though and I really don't know what the solution is for people like him

Lets say for arguement sake it costs 66K to keep someone in prison for a year. You have several offenders.

Offender A: Has been flashing his gentials at small children.

Offender B: Has downloaded child porn.

Offender C: Has kidnapped a four year old girl. Organised a gang of paedophiles to rape the poor child, and then subsequencely tortured the child to death.

Is each offender as bad. Should they all go to jail with life meaning life. What happens if offender B comes forward wanting help?

If the punishments are too harsh then milder paedophiles will not come forward to get help. They will go on to commit more serious offences like offender C.

Dear God, if you'r going to troll why choose the name of one my favourite players?

"Are you saying that pedophiles have a place in your society"

but that's the thing, they have to have one by reason of their existence.what is the alternative?if you completely ostracise them it does nothing more than drive them underground and makes them more of a danger to soceity.
and what do you take paedophile to mean?
is it someone who is attracted to children or do they have to act on this attraction.
i think their can be little doubt that it is a mental illness/defect/whatever label you prefer as i doubt anyone would choose this lifestyle and a high percentage of paedo's where abused as children so it indicates it can be a result of mental abuse.
for example if someone is attracted to children and recognise this as a problem, do not act on it and let themselves be known to the authorities in confidence then should they be punished and locked up?or should they be helped? it is not as black and white as people would like and soceity must try and find ways of rehabilitation.

KerryMumbledore,

I agree its a slipperly slope with any sexual offences. But do you really think that someone who looks at child porn should really be as punished as severely someone who commits serial rape and murder of small children?

If someone comes forward for help to get them off the slipperly slope should they be automatically jailed?

What would you do with someone who goes to their GP and says that watching children makes them have sexual thoughts and they want help even though they have committed no criminal offence.

I think paedophiles do have human rights. They have the right to food, shelter and to be free from torture. Their right to freedom has to be balanced with children's rights to be safe.

I think criminals who are jailed should be kept in clean jails, given reasonable food and rehabilitation/ education. Their jails should also be guarded in a way to stop sex offenders being beaten up or tortured by other prisoners. Otherwise we are as bad as the criminals themselves.

That is a very very blinked view KM