Pro-paedophilia campaigner locked up - too blinking right!!!

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i doubt i'd choose to live beside one by choice but does that mean they have no place in soceity?i mean there are a million different types of people i would not want to live beside by choice but that doesn't mean they have no place in soceity.
as i've said i'm not sure what the answer is but i know for a fact that driving them underground will only make things worse.
at the moment all known paedophiles are closely monitored by the police.however i've heard of people campaign to make this information known to parents who live near paedophiles on the grounds of safety which i am totally against as i have no doubt in my mind that making such information available to the public will simply bring out the vigilante groups and send the paedos into hiding where they become more of a danger as (a) the police no longer know there whereabouts and (b) they no longer feel they have anything to lose and know they will never live in peace anyway.

I quite agree with really tired.
However, why should we as a society (by this I mean pay through tax system) provide for rehabilitation of these offenders when there is no provision for rehabilitation/therapy for victims.
Is the answer civil lawsuits as in US? Would 1 million compensation claims against offenders resolve annything?

I don't know about there being a human right to rehabilitation, but it is a whole lot cheaper than either keeping people in prison for life or letting them loose to reoffend without help and then dealing with the consequences.

not really as i'd imagine the percentage of paedophiles who are millionaires is quite low.and even if they have a house they can sell,then what? re-offending will cost them nothing as they will be broke after one case so subsequent victims will not be compensated unless the state end up paying out the compensation.in which case tax payers will then be up in arms at having to pay the paedophiles bills.
and the benefit to soceity of rehabilitating these people would justify the expenditure.
although i agree there should be services available for the victims aswell.

" However, why should we as a society (by this I mean pay through tax system) provide for rehabilitation of these offenders when there is no provision for rehabilitation/therapy for victims. "

I think that shocking. Especially when a small percentage of victims get caught up in a cycle of abuse. Ie. they marry a man like their father and then their children are abused. Or worst still they abuse children in the same way that they were abused.

Even a victim does not get caught in a cycle of abuse then they often suffer in other ways.

"Is the answer civil lawsuits as in US? Would 1 million compensation claims against offenders resolve annything?"

Well do the offenders have any money. There is no point sueing someone on income support.

I don't think someone can help feeling attracted to children. It becomes more of an issue when they act on their impluses. Being sexually attracted to children is a mental illness that should be helped like any other mental illness.

Obviously if someone does not control their tempations then it is necessary to lock them up.

if there is evidence that being a paedophile is a mental illness then could somebody direct me to it as i would be interseted to read it.

i always thought that if somebody is sexually attracted to children,then trying to rehabilitate them or give them therapy would be like giving a homosexual therapy to stop them being attracted to the same sex.

if it is a behaviour that can be changed,like,for eg,a man who beats his wife can learn to change his behaviour and see that its wrong,then where is the evidence for that,please?

suggesting that being a paedophile is akin to having a mental illness is disrespectful to those who suffer mental health issues.

many paedophiles do play the 'mental health illness card' though when it becomes apparent that they are to recieve a prison sentence.

oddly enough they dont like being locked up with other criminals.

Suing offenders- hmm, when most abuses happen within a family, is it then OK to recover costs by rendering the wife and child honeless? After all, thats far more likely to happen then the perpetrator be a millionarire surely?

castration is difficult. I agree in may wys- but what if it was your son who was falsely accused? that does still happen, after all. What then?

Am in favour of throwing away the key myself, that way the innocent (and miscarriages of justice do esist) get a chance to appeal, the guilty get locked up forever

do i take it that those of you who feel paedophiles have rights have never actually been abused???

my god if you had been, like i was then you would have a very different opinion i am sure.

what about the mental and physical torture inflicted on the child, FFS! where is your sense of decency when you think that its ok to have these sick f**ckers walking the streets? might be a different story if they lived next door to you?

i reported my abuser (stepfather) last year after 17 yrs of keeping quiet and the british justice system did fuck all!!!
he got a slap on the wrist and sent on his merry way. there arent enough expletives for what i would like to do to him to pay him back.

Is that to anyone in particular?

are you suggesting that our opinions are any less valid because we were not abused?
in that case i'll stop commenting on the drugs problem and level of crime in the country aswell then on the basis i've never been addicted to smack or been mugged.

"my god if you had been, like i was then you would have a very different opinion i am sure"

of course it would, but that is why we don't let victims sentence criminals or legislate the law as it makes for bad emotional based laws. of course if i had been abused or found out someone was abusing a member of my family i would wish they died.i would call for every sort of torture method and physical pain to be brought upon them. and truth be told if i had a gun to the head of someone who i knew had harmed a member of my family and i could get away with it i'd pull the trigger.
but does this mean i am in favour of the death penalty? no.

Sorry to butt in but just wanted to set something straight that was mentioned earlier regarding the sentence that Joy got. The sentence was an INDETERMINATE sentence - this means that the 2 and 3 years he got for the offences are actually the minimum amount of time he will be away, in theory he could end up serving life - there is no being let out half way through his sentence. At the end of his minimum time he will then be asessed and he must be seen to have reformed - if he is a sick as it sounds I am sure this will be highly unlikely.In most cases life sentences do not mean life - this type of sentence carries more chance of JOY spending the rest of his life behind bars than a life sentence would. Sorry to witter on but I just wanted people to understand - I work at the Court and this always gets misunderstood.

Would you class a 16 year old having consensual sex with a 15 year old, child abuse? The law does and the abuser would be placed on the sex offenders register.This is why the laws have to be different to allow for this type of offence.

I have my own views on what to do with people like this but I don't want to get dragged in to this debate.

my comment wasnt directed at anyone in particular.

yes i have very strong views when it comes to debates like this and rightly so i feel...

not all people who are reported for sexual offences are put on the sex offenders register, my stepfather wasnt, i was just told he would be on 'a list', and should he apply for employee that involves children it would be flagged up.
well given thah he is over fifty he will not be seeking any further employment, that doesnt mean that other children may not be at risk.

not suggesting that you have to have been abused in order to have a valid opinion, but what about the human rights of the child ie to feel safe to play in streets, to not expect a trusted, loved adult to take advantage of them???

we're not discussing the human rights of the child though are we.we are discussing the human rights of a criminal who has been found guilty of abusing a child. i don't think anyone is claiming that a paedophiles rights to abuse children take precedent over the childs right to safety. but what is being discussed is how they should be treated when being sentenced and many feel that things like death/castration/life imrisonment without parole are damaging to soceity as they serve to treat these offenders not as humans. no one is asking for more leniant sentencing or for people to feel sorry for these abusers.what we are talking about is the most effective way to punish them and stop them from re-offending. and seeing as such drastic punishments are not available to punish other crimes it seems out of sinc with the rest of the legal system to suggest torture for these criminals.

Iamasurvivor - your feelings on this subject are understandable and justifiable. Can I say something without offending you? When your stepfather was 'put on a list' this could have been the register - it is automatic by law for all sex offenders to be put on the register once they have been found Guilty or have pleaded guilty - it should have been announced in court but sometimes this is not the case, and the court staff know to do it automatically - the Judge does not need to order it we just know to do it. I really don't want you to think that I am doubting you but I just wanted you to know - it would be very unusual for him not to be on the register- I can only think if perhaps it is because of the offences happening so long ago and the legislation not applying then - but again haven't known it to be .I don't know anything about your situation so don't want to upset you. You have my total repsect for speaking up about what happened to you.

A survivor of sexual abuse is in a better position than someone like Sarah Payne. Sarah Payne's killer deserves to rot in jail and life should mean life.

I think its terrible that Iamasurvivor stepfather did not recieve a custodial sentence. However I think a jail sentence of say 20 years would be more suitable rather than being put in jail for life with no hope of parole.

I was sexually assulted at 19 and the British justice system did not help me. My attacker had nothing more than a caution. I still suffer nightmares.

There needs to be more support of victims of all sexual assults to give the victims courage and the confidence to good quality evidence. I found it impossible at 19 and it must be even harder for child.

MM i am not ofended. stepfather denied all allegations made and virtually tried to make me sound like some twisted revenge seeker (we had stopped talking following an argument a few months earlier).

the CPS decided as there was lack of evidence because it was a historical case, and also lack of people to corroborate my allegations, that it wasnt worth taking to court, the case ended there.

i was very specific when i asked my case worker if he would be on the sex offenders register, she said no, as he hadnt been convicted of anything, but he would be on 'a list'

in fairness though if he was not convicted of anything it would be completely wrong to place him on a list.
i don't mean to sound cruel or offensive but everyone in the eyes of the law is innocent until proven guilty and so to place someone on a sexual offenders list when they have not been proven guilty in a court of law would be a huge infringment on constitutional rights (in ireland where we have one) or simply human rights in england.
i am not saying he did or did not abuse you (obviously this is a personal case to you and you would have no reason to lie anonymously) but what could the courts do in this case?

I understand now.I can see why you are so angry about the way it has been handled. It really needs to be made easier to bring these cases to trial, it takes so much guts to speak out and tell people what has happened. I truly hope that you are not letting this man ruin any more of your life and that you have found someway of moving forward.